Sorry if this topic has been opened before...I can't do a search so I wouldn't know.

But honestly, I read about fans getting angry because their idols are dating other people? How pathetic can you get? What, they think they have the best chance with the star? And what is up with this crazy obsessive idoling? Admiring someone is fine, but I think it's so important to keep that "admiration" *ahem* NOT obsession healthy.

When you stalk people and CRY when they get together with someone else, then you have serious issues...MAJOR issues. And I can't stand it when fans talk about their idols like they know them personally. "Blah blah oppa...we must understand him, he feels blah blah"...How would you know how they feel anyway? Has it ever dawned on you that they're putting up a certain personality to keep a certain image for maximum revenue? Many if not most of the idols are puppets under entertainment companies anyway. Only the ones who can break away are really doing their "own thing" now.

i will never understand britney spears and k-fed


PO PO ZAO

they need something to do in their spare time.. that's why..

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LOL @ POPOZAO

I find it funny how fans claim how perfect and lovely an idol is because of what they say in interviews.

But there's the ugly side, i.e. fans bullying others that are associated with their idol.

Sun Ye BETTER not be going out with that swimmer boy!

^Funny.

I am annoyed when people drool and become twinkly-eyed at the sight of some chick in an advertisement, commenting on how flawless and perfect the chick is with out acknowledging image editing softwares, plastic surgery, or make up.

Anyway, I love Youngbae. One day, guys. I swear, one daaaay.

I guess cuz they only see the good side of celebrities and its wat they want to see.

On the flip side, I myself hate being an idol.

Too many people asking for my real picture.




(Relax. I'm kidding.)

I think fans are so blinded they can't see any faults. They write off faults as being "cute" and "adorable". And they rave on and on, exaggerating issues that it becomes ridiculous. I'm not going to say where, but I read a piece of translated writing by a star, and fans gushed about how his writing was "better than most writers they know". Well...they must really not read much because most of the people in the fanfic section write better lol.

Well. They're a fan. What do you all expect.

I would say that.
Idolism for me starts getting dangerous and weird not when a fan cries if its idol is dating someone, but when they poison the water of some "rival"... or they short the idol thinking in sending him "somewhere better".
I know it's quite pathetic the way some fans act, but they're just fans... a few people need a background life sometimes, but mostly they're just being FAN(atics).

Amen to that brother.

You should appreciate what a person does (their art, music etc.), not try to jusitfy away all of their personal flaws with the excuse that you are their "fan" and therefore should support every single action they do or thing they say. Every person is fallible. When people neglect that fact and feel they have to defend their "idol" in all circumstances then something has gone terribly wrong.

This topic reminds me of this story.

And I want to quote this reply from a popseoul commentor that appropriately sums up my feelings about "star" manufacturing and the excesses of an industry dependent on obsession -

True, fans are just being fans. But the point is, certain people fail to see past the facades of these powdered celebs. Like yeah, you read an article in People's Mag. or saw a thread in Soompi about so-and-so, but it doesn't mean you know these people personally or that what is written is actually true (so-and-so likes blueberry ice cream with pink nuts and whipped cream.. yeah right, they only say that because it's cute). Certain fans fail to recognize that celebs. have to maintain a public image, like jshat4 said, in order to maximize revenue. How else will albums (& etc.) sale? Celebs. hire publicists to fix mistakes, try to act cute on tv, and pretend to be something they're not. Fans buy this. The industry flourishes.

Honestly, how many celebs. out there do you think are closet homosexuals? Not that it is any of our businesses, but I bet hundreds of girls idolize and worship these celebs. thinking they have a chance.

Of course, I am a fan girl myself, but I am able to see these celebs. as humans and not some perfect creation.

luckily like ppl hangout together, none of my friends are really into celebs...

true story:
"rain's suppose to be at this club here later tonight." (12:00am)
"let's party!"
"wooo, what a fun night..." (2:00am)
"let's go get krn food!" (completely forgetting that rain is suppose to come at 3)
next morning...
weren't we suppose to see rain? oh well...

lol... we saw him another night anyways =P

I don't really think it's a big deal even if people get angry that their "idol" is dating someone they don't like or they try to excuse everything they do. I mean, what difference does it make? It's all part of fanaticsm. It's not like the celeb really cares about what they think. However, if they carry it to real life and stalk or try to hurt the celebrity, it's another story.

I think I know which piece of translated writing you're referring to here, and I have to agree with you.

Truthfully, I've seen some really delusional fans, being around other fans alike; I am a huge fan of some of the korean artistes here, and most of my online friends like the same people too. However, there are a few who have a bunch of loose screws in their heads. I'm talking about DELUSIONAL. I won't name names, but this 16 year old I know claims to love this artiste (who I happen to adore too) - and not just at the surface level, fan-to-idol kind of love. She says it's something like a man and a woman in love. She's 16 by the way, and I HAVE NO IDEA why she thinks she actually stands a chance with him, because she is 16 and he's 29? (that only being 1 out of a million reasons) And she actually addresses him as 'Him' and 'He' using capitals which makes it seem like she's making him out to be a god, sorta. And it freaks me out! She talks to me on msn sometimes, and she says that whatever she has going on with him is very 'personal' to her.

All this may seem alright to some people here, but in my opinion, there is a thin line between obsession + fanaticsm and just plain unhealthy; because the artiste is influencing your true personality and affecting your social behavior.

IT BUGS ME SO MUCH, because my profession involves being around teens her age; and seeing how her friends keep telling her that she'd be really moody and quiet unless someone suddenly calls out this artiste's name around her; which will then lead to her suddenly snapping out of her gloom and then get all perky and talkative, talking about him. It bothers me, how she lets this said artiste affect her daily life so much. I've talked to her about it, and she insists that she "knows her heart best", and that I should just mind my own business.

Seriously. I'm reconsidering what I do now because of teenagers like these.

seriously tho fanatics and groupies have always been doing things crazy ever since the first celebrity

Haha, this reminds me of Paul Anka. Anyone remember him? Man, he had groupies that idolized him on the next level. It was almost as if the groupies were having seizures. I heard one time that a Jackie Chan groupie committed suicide, because he got married? I'm not sure if that's true. Anyway, I can't stand stalker/obsessed type fans. You pretty much nailed it on the spot jshat4.

Well there's always a first step for everything. I doubt the CRAZY fans turned that way overnight. They were probably initially pissed off their idol dated, and then that pissed off feeling slowly developed into something even more unhealthy.

But to be pissed off in the first place is just not healthy. It's the same thing as not being healthy to lust after someone else's boyfriend and get angry when they get married. Does it happen? Sure...but doesn't mean society as a whole should try to encourage young teeangers to stop acting that way and just write it off as "fantatism".

I think what bothers me more is not the fact that this is happening, but the fact that society as a whole is NUMB towards it and it's slowly progressing towards being 'acceptable'. Netizens are particularly harsh at bullying, and incidents like what happened to Lee Eun Ji (joo?) are simply unacceptable and this needs to be voiced out by the 'idol's AND their management companies. Because they are in part responsible for it, regardless of whether they want it or not. Particularly the management companies who are trying to milk the money of crazy fans.

I strongly agree with the other opinions voiced here about how the focus shifted away from the talents of the star and rather towards their 'personalities' (which are more like their STAGE personalities)...And what we get are stars/idols selling their personality rather than their talents.

forget fandom....what about anti fandom>


that is one thing i will not understand...you dont like them? that's fine? but why sit at a computer and waste your time and energy by tellling the whole world how you woulkd like to kill so-and-so person cuz you cant stand them? psycho? i think so....

i was reading this one korean article about who has the most anti fans...
of course names like kang soojung and jang young lan are on there....why> i dyunno...BUT the thing I dont understand is....the girl who played opposite jung il woo in highkick has a TON! cuz she played opposite him...what the crap is that??

focus your energies elsewhere and you might be productive.,...

I kind of understand the initial intent behind anti-fans though...if someone you think isn't worthy of getting attention/hype, you may b.itch a bit about it. But that's about as far as I will go. I will b.itch, and let it go. I just find it annoying when certain talentless idols get in my face all the time, even when it's evident they have little/no talent but only a pretty face. Otherwise, they can go do whatever their happy little greedy hearts desire.

But yeah, spiking drinks, creating hate websites..that's taking it a bit far.

Oh my goodness.
I didn't know about that Eun Ji girl. I am somewhat in shock but then again, I am aware of how fans in Korea can get crazy. I think it is an unhealthy obsession over people. Admiring a person is one thing but leaving harsh messages to a person simply because he/she took pictures with your "favorite singer/actor, etc" is an extreme case.

well if you're relatively "new" to kpop then i guess this will seem crazy (which it is)
but its been going on for years.
girls used to cry and faint over H.O.T.
one fan even sent a letter written in blood.

what i HAVE noticed is that fans are getting more vicious with other fans of different groups

i guess thats what happens when idolism becomes an obsession...
plus a lot of the crazy fans are hormonal teens.
i admit i was a diehard fan for a celeb or two when i was younger too
i think you eventually grow out of it (hopefully)

Did Super Junior ever release a statement about the incident? That's sad and so stupid of those so-called "fans" to do that kind of crap.

I remember being a big Backstreet Boys and NSYNC fan when I was younger. And if I saw my "favorite" with their girlfriend, I would be happy for them even though I would be a tad envious of the girl. I certainly wouldn't wish her to die or anything like that. I even got so tired of the hating that I created a clique (because they were so awesome then haha) to support or at least tolerate the relationship.

Yunho from DBSK being poisoned by a nut is ridiculous too. I think these over-obsessive fans and anti-fans need to take little trip to the crazy house. And plus they could be missing out on important events in life (hopefully assuming that most of the people are in their teenagers) if they are only concentrating on what so-and-so person is doing.

If you're not crazy yet, you need help. Start with loosening up a bit.

I think most people/fans are quite aware of their "realistic" surroundings and spazzing about their fav. celeb is rather an escape from the crapload world they may or may not live in. Have you ever seen that health commercial? The one where someone asks "How are you?" And then someone goes on about everything happening in their life... Now, is that really what you want to hear? Probably not. A simple "Good" works and a simple "OMG, I love him/her" also works in the fandom world. Although, I'm not vouching for that girl who poisoned Yuhno. She needs help for the rest of her life... hiding from the TVXQ fans [XD LMAO & on]. As for the girl who killed herself over the Elves' bullying, well, I remember there was a split between opinions about a certain myspace girl killing herself over someone's deceit. Surely some kind of responsibility falls on the suicide victim herself...?

Anywho, aren't fans entertaining?

Lol, just because it's about a celeb doesn't make it normal. As with all addictions, they are simply unhealthy when overplayed and the escape to the 'other side' becomes too prolonged. I'm sure people think "Oh, it's the Internet, doesn't really matter" but you'll be surprised how quickly that translates into real life behaviour too.

And there is really a huge difference between being fan-girl hyper about a celebrity and being possessively jealous of and hating the people around them.

Hello,

Fan's trajectory is somewhat a self destruction. Most of them have weak interest in reality and then idolatring a perfection is doing something toward a meaningless life.

Although they are not crazy in medical terminology, they are just lost for some time.



Kate

I totally agree with you! I think a lot of the fanatics who idolize these celebs are living out a delusional dream world. Especially for younger kids who are still trying to carve an identity for themsleves. It's a very unstable and emotional period. I can see how mundane life can be for teens who have nothing to look forward to except school exams and constant criticisms. Fantasizing about a certain celebrity probably gives them the much needed outlet they crave to escape reality. When that "perfect" celebrity ceases to be an idol and shows signs of human behavior (i.e. dating, love, marriage), that shock is enough to set some people off on a vendetta against those they feel are responsible for shattering their "perfect" world. It's a downward spiral and, according to the Super Junior article, can lead to tragic consequences.

Do you guys find it a bit more disturbing when older-aged individuls are this fanatic (the very very delusional kind)? Or is it equally disturbing as teeney-boppers?

why in the world did F4 exist.. when H.O.T is hotter than them. -__-;; (not to mention Vanness Wu hehe)

Actually i am also wondering why and how can those fangirls get soooo crazy and obessed with their idols?
I can't say that i am totally not into celebs, i am not a fan. I am a supportor.
A supportor who look at a celeb as a talented being, not someone to so called 'worship'.

Perhaps idols nowadays have such attracting features that make all the fangirls sooo crazy over them.
I admit that i was once sort of obessed with this celeb that i will fantasize about being his girlfriend or friend.
But i didnt go to the extend of such obession. This is so scary. I think it is OK to fantasize for a while.
But too much is really bad for health.

I really cannot stand crazy fans... i am very scare of them, yes, they are so crazy and dangerous, same goes to those anti-fans. Why are antis doing all those good-for-nothing kind of actions? It's like a total waste of their own time.

I have been to a certain party of a celeb and there was a game session with lucky fans.
So during one of the games, the celeb cover a fan girl's ear when the host is giving secret instruction to the girl before her.
That celeb's action only meant to help the host... for not letting others to hear the secret instructions. And yet later after that event ended, i read in some forums, some fans who attended the same party too commented that that celeb has fall for that fan girl and that's why he is using his hand to cover her ears.

Well, when i read that statement i was like =.= as if you truly know that celeb as a friend or what... the most unacceptable sentence (to me) they commented is 'He is everything to me and yet i am nothing to him'. WTH???
This is plain insane!! I seriously can't stand them man! It's sooo crazy and no sense.

Another thing i cannot tolerate is those fan girls who actually skipped class to attend a celeb's event.
I mean... at their age (most are teenagers), studies & family are far more important than idols.
It is sad that the society had became like this. >.<

P.S: Sorry for this long post.

i also dont understand why they starting crying their eyes out...koreans are a lil weird..i am korean myself and i don't understand the characteristics of this race sometimes...

i really do think that some of these individuals are delusional...and i feel sorry for the parents that havbe to put up with this

ahem .... some koreans ... do NOT generalize plz
i am korean too and yeah ... i often dont understand the behavior of certain koreans ...
but i hate it when ppl say all koreans are crazy like that
duh ... crazy fans are everywhere ...
its just that korean crazy fans (hahaha kcf ... not kfc) are kinda "organized" and duh ...
they seem to have lots of time ....

Naw, it's not just Koreans. Chinese fans are similar, and I heard j-fans are even worse (sorry for the stereotypes, I know..not every Chinese/japanese/Korean person is like that lol).

But yeah, I understand it too. I ADMIRE and APPRECIATE certain stars for their musical/acting talents, but I would never idolize or worship anyone. I hate being referred to as a 'fan' or even worse a 'CelebrityX fan'. I have my OWN identity, hello..I am an individual, not a 'fan'. It's one of the worst labels to me, yet some people take so much pride in it.

I was defending these attacks on an actress in another forum, because people were pretty much pulling ideas out of their **, and then they go, "Omg, who cares if you're a 'celebrityX fan'." Pissed me off so much. Honestly, just because I debate certain points doens't make me a 'fan'. It makes me someone who appreciates their work, and is objective about it. I point out the good and the bad. There are celebs I do follow more so and watch their works, but I still don't consider myself a fan. Even if I want to meet them, it's because I appreciate their work. I honestly really hate the negative connotations associated with this term now.

I don't understand why stars have to go "Thank you fans for supporting me. I will always need your support to make me stronger." You often don't see real Oscar-winning actors/actresses or opera singers saying that, do you? Because they are TALENT, they don't "NEED" the support of 'fans'. They improve themselves, and the supporters/appreciaters/admirers/fans just come. I find that when they're asking people to support them, in a sense, they're asking people to like THEM, and not particularly their work. Maybe a bit of an exaggeration, but there is far too little emphasis on the quality of the work and too much emphasis on promotions and the stars' personality and public images. If someone produces quality work, I could care less who they are as an individual. Do you care if your tax lawyer is a humanitarian? Not particularly...As long as he's not commiting any crimes, you could care less. You want to pay the least amount of taxes (legally), and if he does a good job, you're satisfied. Do you care if he cheats on his wife? Probably not. It might turn you off being his 'friend', but as a PROFESSIONAL, he is still doing a great job, and really, that's what it should be like.

Hell yeah, i like this topic. I get annoyed when I meet crazy fans, they cant stop talking about their "lover" like wtf they dont own or actually know the celebrity. Its so stupid. I hate it when ppl calling the celebs their husband/wife whatever, its like you dont know his/her personality, he/she doesnt know you exist, and they dont f-ing want you, they dont care about you, you know. Those crazy fans need to grow up, face reality, and get a life.

I LOVE John Mayer *cries* ....

I don't know, most of these fanatics are young high school girls. most of them will grow out of it, or become more mature fans. I think it's all part of "growing up"
But I definitely agree with you guys about the anti-fans. Holy crap, they are seriously hardcore and scary.

And I think it's even ridiculous how on some korean shows, if DBSG or some other "extremely popular" groups appear, other people on the show have to act extra careful because they're afraid of what the "netizens" will say. It's funny to a point, but when people send death threats and actually try to hurt other people...it's disgusting.

I'm not sure exactly where I stand on the fangirl scale, but I do know for sure that I'm not as bad it gets. I ship actors and actresses together, but at the end of the day if they date other people then I'm ok. Stuff like that. I think the point where fandom gets ugly is if someone becomes an anti-fan or there are fan wars where one group tries to prove their star is better than the other and where they make excuses for poor performance or whatever. I kinda just brush it off though because there's really nothing I can do about fan behavior except to just hope these people are going through a phase and grow out of it sometime.

ANDDDDDDDDDDDD


why is it OK for some celebrities to date and not others? according to some fans...

they are all human and are subject to maslow's hierachy of needs...come now...be realistic crazy-fans-who-think-they-have-a-chance-with-"your"-celebrity


also, those who start/get into fights with other fanclub members....

Be scared as hell being around both fans and anti-fans if I ever go to any of the concerts. After reading all the comments.

Written a letter in blood, poison gift, threats ? *mouth drops* DAMN!! Really hard core fan and anti-fan. O_O >< O_O

I do it too... whenever a male star is rumored to have a partner I feel jealousy inside, it's wierd isn't it?
We girls always think we are going to someday catch LeeMinwoo or Kangta's attention and maybe get married to them...
maybe that thought keeps us going for part of the day ... I dunno
But to start hating or cry about it, that's a different story. As long as you don't go overboard with being a fan, it's all good.
Fans have a star to look up to(?) or fantasize about and stars get their attention. What would I do without liking somebody
and without handsome charming men like male korean celebrities ? I just love soompi and korean entertainment... haha

Meh. I don't really take these kinds of things too seriously, many girls here are into the boys of KAT-TUN, Nishikido Ryo, Yamapi, Matsumoto Jun, and other various celebrities. Some are a bit overzealous, but in hindsight, they eventually realize that the handsome boy they protected and loved so dearly was simply a fantasy. At least, most do. There's also the wota of Morning Musume and other Hello!Project members - who fantasize (often a bit too clearly) about submissive, cute women.

This is why I started coming to Soompi less and less. The fans these days are crazier than ever. I thought that H.O.T fans were nuts, but wow, the fans of these current bands are just down right scary.

Say that a celebrity is dating someone. Someone posts a thread about it. That person gets seriously flamed by fans because they either chose to be blind to the fact that their idol IS human or chose to pretend that the idol deserves privacy and the original poster shouldn't have posted about their private life (When in reality, they are crying and wondering why it's not them who's dating the idol).

When people are THAT concentrated on someone's life other than their own, it's pretty unhealthy. Yes, these idols are very nice to LOOK at and they can be quite entertaining, but I've never found that to be a reason to follow their life and obsess over every detail of that idol.

I think that the internet helps fans be even crazier. They can chat with other fans who are like them and they have more access to information of their favorite idols. When I see girls who actually FLY OUT to Korea just to stalk their favorite idols, I really pray that I never get seated next to one on my next trip there.

i think the concept is called jealously.

Tell me about it. I love the DBSG boys, I think they're uber hot, and I enjoy their overrated teenybop "music" if that's what you call it, but I cannot stand to go in their official thread because some of the girls in there are just so immature you don't want anything to do with them.