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Laos' 'lost tribe' in plea for help

Al Jazeera's correspondent Tony Birtley travelled in secret to the jungles of northern Laos in search of the last fighters of the CIA's "secret army", a remnant from the days of the Vietnam War. This is his account of his journey.

The Lost Tribe

The dead of night - a rendezvous on a dirt road on the fringe of a dense jungle.
I couldn't see the faces of my guides, but I could see their guns and I could feel the apprehension as they ushered me into the undergrowth and the start of what would turn out to be an unforgettable journey.
There were six of them, all ethnic Hmong; a rugged, tough people used to harsh conditions. But a people, I was soon to discover, living in fear.
We hurried into the forest - not easy in the dark - down a steep slope, across a narrow bamboo bridge over a fast-flowing river, and then upwards.
When we talked it was in a whisper; when we walked we tried not to create noise. And we tried to avoid the danger, which they told me was all around.
The danger comes from the Laos army. They are everywhere, the guides told me and ambushes are common.
In the dark, with the occasional use of a torch, we weaved our way through the undergrowth. The darkness creates fear and apprehension but it is also strangely comforting: if you cannot see the soldiers, then it is equally hard for them to see you.
The first five hours was straight up, no deviations, and no track. Sometimes clambering for something to hold and pull myself up, other times it was all I could do to stop from falling backwards.
No such exhaustion for the Hmong; this kind of hike was normal in this hilly highland terrain of northern Laos.
Five hours and numerous stops later we reached the peak of the hill and a chance to sleep for a few hours.
We walked for another two hours beneath the dense jungle canopy, then stopped for food. The "food" was a plant root similar to a yam, tasting like dried potato and something I came to dread in the coming days.

After two days we reached our destination, Zu, meaning village in Hmong. Not so much a village, more a gathering of bamboo shacks. But the sight which greeted me could only have come from a Hollywood movie script.
Men, women and children were on their knees, hands together as in prayer. And there were tears, floods of tears.
I was the first outsider, the first Westerner, and the first foreigner they had seen in 32 years. For some it was the first time ever. Some of the weeping men cradled guns and had grenades on their belts.
I didn't realise it then but my visit had taken on a significance I was not prepared for.
A Hmong man with a video camera filmed me. A woman dressed in traditional colourful Hmong clothes paused her sobbing and looked at me.
"Oh father, we are just widows. Our husbands, wives and children are lost. We are poverty stricken, please help us. We have no one to guide us," she said.
Everyone was shouting out. Four young men were performing a welcome dance. A young fighter, grenade launcher on his back, grenades around his waste, played an out of tune guitar.
It was hard to grasp how desperate these people were, hard to understand the drama of the welcome, the depth of their hopelessness.
This would all become clearer in the coming days – more days than I intended to stay.
The group's tears and groans continued. I felt uncomfortable putting my camera close to them to record their desperation, but realised that the world had to see this - it was the whole point of making such a journey.
Through a translator I asked if there were any women who had lost their husbands, killed by the government forces. Ten at the back stood up.
It was obvious these people had suffered a great deal, but their suffering has largely gone unnoticed.

Few before me knew what that the outside world was: the developments, the crises, technology, political leaders, foods, fads, fashion, the Oscars. Some things, perhaps, you can live without.
I gave one of the older fighters a copy of my Economist magazine. At first he smiled when he saw the colour advertisements, one for the biggest aeroplane in the world.
"So that's what they look like. They are flying over our heads all the time."
But the smiles soon turned to tears. I had never seen anyone cry over the Economist before.
"This is so sorrowful," he said. "We would like to be civilised like these pictures. We escaped and hid ourselves until today. Living so poorly. The people in these pictures are dressed in beautiful clothes, but we just live like animals."
They have lived cut off from the outside world for more than three decades, ever since the end of the Vietnam War.

Source: Al Jazeera
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/A01...22FEC01AF42.htm



i watched this on AL-JAZEERA. it was really...ionno. no words to say. sad? heartbreaking? frustrating?
i really respect the aljazeeran reporters for covering this news. the article is actually much longer.

anyways, for those who didnt read the above article, here's what it's about.

the Hmong tribe was used by the american cia's for war, but were left after that. now their own government wants to kill them, saying that they were 'a product of america.'
so now, the tribe are living their lives as nomads, living off yams. the yams they eat aren't really recommended coz they can get u dizzy, but that's all they have. there was a part wen Tony(the correspondent) shared his cheese,ham and oreos wid the villagers. you should've seen how happy their faces were. the kids' faces were all shining and evrything.
if u'd lyk to know more, go over to the website.

it's really disturbing to me that there are actually ppl still leaving lyk dis. and the vietnam military aren't even giving them any chances. there's women, children, men..and my mom said that if the military gets their hands on the tribe, their gonna kill every single one of them. it's really cruel.
i'm actually lost for words ryt now. can't really get the ryt words out.
so i'll just post this here for now and come back later.

click here for second part of article
rosecastle
wow i never knew about this
it's so sad reading the article
wish we could do something but American interference wouldn't probably end things in a 'peaceful' manner huh =T
what'
s more heartbreaking is that those people probably won't get the help they need for a long time...
krit
this is a great article they put out.
nak3d
This is beyond sad and unfortunate. The whole Vietnam War and fight against Communism pisses me off. America pisses me off. The only reason there was a fight against communism was because it threatened Capitalist interests. People and their stupid greed.
VINTAGE'art: moderne
A crisis that surely needs to be recognized. I feel ashamed knowing that the people committing these crimes are a part of my race/ethnicity. I've seen countless documentaries and read countless books and articles describing how the Hmongs are being hunted and killed... and I find it frustrating how nothings being done to stop this! Just last year Vang Pao and a few others were charged in a plot to over throw the Laos Government. It's gotten to that point where they're desperate to do anything to stop the genocide.

**About Tony Birtley being, "the first outsider, the first Westerner, and the first foreigner they had seen in 32 years," not true. There have been countless journalist going in and out of the Laos forest way before him.
hungrycollegeboy
Whenever I hear or see anything related to this topic, I GET REALLY ANGRY ON THE INSIDE.
I hate them friggin soldiers!!!!!!!!! These folks are being hunted like animals out there.

I wish I can do something.
But then again, this is beyond my reach... *sigh* tears.gif
Sagari
i found this really sad depressing clip on youtube.com just thought i'd share it with you guys about hmong people in laos.

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=LmSWXk1nFRc
frog
I was just going to post about this issue just now but I saw this trend so I'm glad that there's other people who know about this issue. It's very sad when I watch the two YouTube videos, it brings tears to my eyes. I wish I could help them but don't know where to start other than to spread the issue around.

Well, here's two YouTube videos regarding the issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEWhLZGpvPc&feature=user

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5k8oXaG-bQ&feature=user
NuChee
I'm hmong too.
It's so sad to see my own people getting killed and trying to hide like that.
Its heart breaking...and the US won't even help because they're on 'good' term with Laos. >_>
I wish there was someway to help..

I posted a similar article in december about this too.
Jang_Yoon_Jung ^ ^
NOO : [
How weird is it that I find this after learning about the Indian Removal. - . -;;
Idk..I find it similar.
Anyways, I can't believe something like this is going on!
: /
North Korea and some of the other Asian countries are going through serous trouble....
addickshun
that article was pretty depressing.
mo.NeMo81
I'm MIEN, a lesser known hilltribe thats similiar to the HMONg tribes. our people in southeast asia, particularly in laos also faces the same fate because we also allied with the americans during the 'secret war'. it's sad to see that this still continuing.......i dont know how i will react if i see this when i go back to southeast asia this summer sad.gif
x. suki
that was so sad to read T_T
my friend's family who still liv ein vietnam are part of that :X
and i've heard many things about it >_<
its really sad =(
konni
just reading and watching these videos brought tears to my eyes. sad.gif
je_amourx
This is incredibly heartbreaking. How unfortunate it is, to see people like this - in hiding and scared for their life everyday. Whereas, here we live and wake up to freedom without knowing that people like this around the world are being ignored and forgotten. Living in the forest for 30+ years, knowing your entire race can face possible complete extermination is ... unbelievable. I pray for them to be helped out of this misery.
koreangirl143
wow i almost cried after reading and watching the videos. T_T
LoMeLeY
I hate how he pronounced "hmong" wrong...and I hate the fact that he goes in there...flashes what little hope he can give them; then, says he can't take it anymore and wants to leave. It's almost like he's teasing them...

To know that there are so many of them still left back over there makes me sad. To know that nothing is being done to help them out makes me angry. Most of all, though, it breaks my heart when I know I can't really do anything to help them. Here I am...one from the line of Hmong people who managed to escape with America...living in the supposedly best country and I can't do anything to help the people who can be considered as my people. When I think about my situation living here and about the people over there...I really realize how lucky I am to be one of the ones who managed to escape. To be the one living here in America...yet I don't feel proud. It seems as though no one cares...even America doesn't care...why else would General Vang Pao have been arrested? It's sad to think that nothing will be done for those people back there...it really breaks my heart. Those people can't even hope...they've practically given up all hope. To know that they've been living such a life for 30 years, it amazes me that they've survived for so long.

If only something really could be done...if only someone of high power could actually have a heart and care a little.

Yet we all must remember that other refugees who want freedom aren't the problem right now. It's the terrorist war in the middle east. That's what the uproar is about...*sigh* With all that ruckus blocking the focus, no one would ever be able to know about how much other people in other countries are suffering...

It seriously breaks my heart...
crystal_clover
Oh dear, I feel so troubled after reading this. I think maybe of us here would feel the helplessness of wanting to save them but yet without the power to do so.

However, I would like to extend my gratitude and respect to the brave journalist who went into the dangerous jungles to bring us this story. It's the first step, hopefully as more people are aware of this situation, someone somewhere with the power to do so, come save the Hmong people.

For now, we can only pray for them, remember what we've read and spread the awareness.
iaRediL
QUOTE (Sagari @ Mar 14 2008, 03:17 AM) *
i found this really sad depressing clip on youtube.com just thought i'd share it with you guys about hmong people in laos.
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Mods if you think this is inappropriate then you can take it down.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LmSWXk1nFRc

thank you sagari for sharing the clip.
unfortunately, i myself am underage, so i wasnt able to watch it tongue.gif

QUOTE (NuChee @ Mar 14 2008, 03:31 AM) *
I'm hmong too.
It's so sad to see my own people getting killed and trying to hide like that.
Its heart breaking...and the US won't even help because they're on 'good' term with Laos. >_>
I wish there was someway to help..
I posted a similar article in december about this too.

QUOTE (LoMeLeY @ Mar 16 2008, 11:36 AM) *
I hate how he pronounced "hmong" wrong...and I hate the fact that he goes in there...flashes what little hope he can give them; then, says he can't take it anymore and wants to leave. It's almost like he's teasing them...
To know that there are so many of them still left back over there makes me sad. To know that nothing is being done to help them out makes me angry. Most of all, though, it breaks my heart when I know I can't really do anything to help them. Here I am...one from the line of Hmong people who managed to escape with America...living in the supposedly best country and I can't do anything to help the people who can be considered as my people. When I think about my situation living here and about the people over there...I really realize how lucky I am to be one of the ones who managed to escape. To be the one living here in America...yet I don't feel proud. It seems as though no one cares...even America doesn't care...why else would General Vang Pao have been arrested? It's sad to think that nothing will be done for those people back there...it really breaks my heart. Those people can't even hope...they've practically given up all hope. To know that they've been living such a life for 30 years, it amazes me that they've survived for so long.
If only something really could be done...if only someone of high power could actually have a heart and care a little.
Yet we all must remember that other refugees who want freedom aren't the problem right now. It's the terrorist war in the middle east. That's what the uproar is about...*sigh* With all that ruckus blocking the focus, no one would ever be able to know about how much other people in other countries are suffering...
It seriously breaks my heart...

wow. nuchee and lomeley. u guys are hmongs too?
i'm very glad that u two managed to get away from the jungle and start a better life.
my advice to you guys and evryone else for that matter;
remember your roots and don't take granted of evrything. don't be ungrateful of the little things coz those little things are HUGE to some other ppl.

anyways, here is part two of Tony Birtley's journal.

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Out of the jungle

The Hmong leader, Vang Che Chi, told me that since 1975 the Laos army had killed 598,000 Hmong. Every year their villages were raided and they were forced to live on the run, he said, staying in one place for only a few weeks at a time, sometimes for only a day. He had carefully documented notebooks kept in worn plastic bags, which he said held the names of many who had been murdered.
It is impossible to verify what he was telling me, but human rights groups have long documented accounts from Hmong refugees of suffering at the hands of the Laos army.
As I walked around the settlement people would immediately drop to their knees in an act of worship, chanting something to me. The translator said each time they would end the chant by begging me for help. When I lay down in a bamboo shelter they had made especially for me, together with a holder and tooth picks on one of the poles, I listened to my Ipod. Children gathered around, mesmerised by the music, stunned by the photographs it contained. Half dressed in rags, barefoot and with dirty faces, life had left them behind.
Each one had lost someone they said had been killed by the army, each adult at some stage broke down and cried before me, even the leader, even the toughest looking fighter. They carried lists around with them of the family they had lost. One man produced a piece of paper containing 75 names of those he said had been murdered.
Another young woman told of how her husband had been killed last year before seeing his newborn baby daughter. She was almost defeated: with no husband and a young baby to look after, the desperate search for food took on a new dimension.
Survival depends largely on a plant root they call qo - a potato like food, but drier and served boiled or steamed as a paste and hard to stomach for someone like me. If they are lucky they eat this three times a day. If not, less. To find qo they have to dig down up to four metres and walk up to three hours to find it – a journey which often leads to deadly encounters with the Laos army.
For Hmong men life is spent constantly on guard, rarely without their weapons. Their weapons are mostly 30-years-old or even older. Russian Kalashnikovs, American M16s and grenade launchers from the Vietnam War era and even some carbines dating back to the second world war. At night the temperature plummets in the highland jungle and I was woefully ill prepared for it. I wasn’t able to sleep more than two hours without having to get up and stand over a fire. At least the jungle had a plentiful supply of firewood.
When you asked people how they had been affected by the situation they tended to show, rather than tell. People like the old lady who took off her top to show me the three bullet wounds suffered when she was looking for food. Or the 65-year-old man left with a stump for a leg after he stood on a mine. Now he has a crude rubber and bamboo cup into which he puts his stump and with the aid of a stick fashioned into a crutch, he hobbles around.
Another woman showed me her leg, horribly disfigured, she says from a bullet wound. She moved part of the flesh and they told me this was the bullet still moving around. The Hmong have no medical supplies, no surgical instruments. They live and die in the jungle, everything they have comes from the jungle.
The leader, Vang Che Chi, spoke to me again. He said I still had to stay but explained the depths of despair to which they had plunged.
"We don't want to go to America or France," he told me. "And we don't want to go to the refugee camps in Thailand. We want to stay here but to live in peace, to grow crops, for the old to spend their last days, as old people should.
"We cannot surrender to the Laos government. Those who have done before disappeared or were imprisoned, or were used to hunt other Hmong. We do not trust the communists."
He told me that in 1975 he was leader of 18,000 Hmong but now only 7,000 remain.
"Unless we get help, we will all die," he told me sternly.
My translator tapped me on the shoulder. "She would like to see your photographs," he said, pointing to a shy, beautiful girl with a big wide smile. She was 11-years-old but I noticed her hands were bony and red, the signs of work. They were the hands of someone much older. She wanted to see pictures of my family. I obliged showing photos of my kids in hotels, at dinner, at the beach, at parties – things this girl could have never dreamed of and was only now seeing for the first time.
"Beautiful," she said as she saw a photo of my six-year-old girl. I was starting to get emotional. I asked her what she wanted from life and she told me: education. I asked her if she knew what that was. No, she answered, "but my mother tells me it is good".
According to Vang Che Chi there are only a handful of former Hmong CIA fighters left in the jungle. He seemed a little embarrassed by the subject because this is the reason why the Hmong have allegedly been persecuted all these years. Nestling a US army issue grenade launcher in his arms, one fighter named Kiayeng told me of the days he fought the Vietnamese. He joined the CIA's "secret army" in 1961, saw action many times and lost his son in battle. He is 63 now and more often he cradles a bamboo pipe where he smokes a kind of tobacco found in the jungle.
"I help America a lot," he told me. "But it is not important for America. I am disappointed with them. I am old but I still have this gun to protect my family. Thee sons and one daughter were killed by the communists."
Another fighter named Xiong proudly displayed his M16 rifle. "Me CIA solider," he said in the only English he knew.
"America came into Laos and asked us for help in the war against Vietnam. But America has taken away our elders and people and left us behind."
He was referring to the more than 120,000 Hmong who have been allowed to settle in the US.
"Red Laos was unhappy with us for helping America," he went on. "They hunt us everywhere. They blame us for being the fruits of America, following the American way and democracy. That's why they want to destroy us."

On the fifth day a woman ran through the village distraught. Her father had been killed she said while he walked to the village. It started a controlled panic.
"Laos army might come," my translator said. "We must pack our things."
My release was looking less likely by the day. The whole village packed up what belongings they had, putting them into baskets and old knap sacks.
Young fighters went running to check security. There was a sense of foreboding. The Hmong have gone through this many times. It was my first, and I began to wonder what would happen should the Laos soldiers find us and me, an outsider and a witness to their suffering.
After standing by for several hours, the emergency passed. The fighters returned to declare that the army was not coming. People unpacked and went back to what passes for normality in their impoverished existence. By now my frustration had grown to the extent that I said I was going to leave by myself, taking my chances and testing what the Hmong would do.
The women of the village panicked. Thirty of them, along with their children appeared by my lean-to, baskets packed.
"They want to come with us," said the translator.
"They can't, it's too dangerous," I said. "What about the soldiers, they could get killed."
A woman who looked 70 but in reality was 50, looked at me. "We can die here or with you, it doesn't matter. But if you go we want to go with you. We cannot stay here anymore. We cannot stand anymore."
A heated debate followed with the men joining in, questioning whether they should let me go or all follow me back to civilisation. Eventually it subsided, the angry expressions replaced with smiles and my release began to look a real possibility. They slaughtered one of their few chickens for me, examining the bones for auspicious signs. "A good one," declared the leader.
I gave them what little food I had. Some cheese, tinned ham and biscuits for the children. It was rich food compared to what they ate but they seemed to like it. It did not change their situation one bit, but selfishly it made me feel better.
On the day before I was finally allowed to leave two men came to the settlement. They had walked for two days from another village to see me. They dropped to their knees in front of me and begged me for help, to save them. They cried, sobbing like children. One man was 40 and, while he carried a gun, he had the expression of a helpless child.
"I am from Moua family," he explained. "Five hundred members of our family have been killed and we now have only 53 family members left. You are a representative from a big country, could you please consider saving us as well?" The innocence of the request struck me. The naivety of this man before me, the desperation, and the reality that I could do nothing apart from tell their story.
People began to come to me to ask if there was anything I could give them. The old CIA man, now with his pipe and not the grenade launcher, shook my hand. "Please help us," he said. "I want to see a city before I die."
This jungle for the Hmong is a place of nightmares and dreams, the nightmare of what their life is and the dream of what they want it to become, safe. And they reluctantly accepted that the Westerner who had spent almost a week with them was not about to instantly change their fortunes.
The village turned out to bid me farewell, dropped to their knees in prayer as the leader blessed our journey, and I followed the young fighters out of the village, beginning the gruelling journey back to civilisation.
After two days we made it back to the dirt road and my lift was waiting.
I shook hand with the young fighters, and then they turned and were gone.

Source: Al Jazeera
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/390...EDF4930C28D.htm

iluvtony29
it breaks my heart to see people suffering..
i never knew that the hmong people were suffering..
it goes to show how little i know..

knowing about the suffering of the north korean people and now the hmong..
has really opened my eyes.. to the suffering of other people around me..

it's really really sad.. seeing their conditions in the video..
they are human, they are like us.. they do not deserve to be treated like that
nobody deserves to be treated like that..
even animals don't deserve to be treated like that..

what breaks my heart the most are the children involved..
those innocent children who know nothing of what is happening around them
they weren't even born when the war happened!!!!

they are being attacked even though they are helpless..
it's really sad to see that human beings could be that evil and wicked..
why is the lao government so cruel? do they no have hearts?
they are people too.. so they must know/feel the suffering of other people..
but i know that it's not only the lao government..

my prayers and thoughts are to those people..
if there was someway to help..
ordinary.life
Thanks for sharing the interview and clips.
I'm glad i did get to understand a little about the Hmong.

The clips show how people worship the reporter, calling him "father", seeing how kids play with knives and home-made arrows and also how people weapons left behind by Americans like their trophy really broke my heart.
They lived on hope, hope that someday, Americans will be back for them.

I've been reading a lot about Tibet and now, reading about Hmong made me think about us, living in luxurious lifestyles but never contented. We probably think about getting the latest gadgets, fashionable clothes and maybe, even Starbucks but there they are, thinking about the outside world, thinking about survival and wondering what is life outside the jungle. We are indeed blessed to be staying in a proper house with shelter and without the need to fear for our lives.

However, I thought the reporters' behaviour and thoughts were rather unacceptable, indirectly or directly. First, he complained about the root that they ate and how he was getting sick of it when that was the only thing they could find in the jungle. And then, he complained about not being able to shower and about how he couldn't take it anymore in that situation. Granted that those were rather harsh conditions but I could not feel that the reporter's enthusiasm towards welcoming the culture and was not being proactive to adapt to it. Nevertheless, I'm glad that he did the feature or we'll never understand the conditions just by reading.
iaRediL
QUOTE (ordinary.life @ Mar 16 2008, 02:33 PM) *
However, I thought the reporters' behaviour and thoughts were rather unacceptable, indirectly or directly. First, he complained about the root that they ate and how he was getting sick of it when that was the only thing they could find in the jungle. And then, he complained about not being able to shower and about how he couldn't take it anymore in that situation. Granted that those were rather harsh conditions but I could not feel that the reporter's enthusiasm towards welcoming the culture and was not being proactive to adapt to it. Nevertheless, I'm glad that he did the feature or we'll never understand the conditions just by reading.

yes, i've seen that alot of other ppl thought that it was sort of heartless for the reporter to say all this.
but let's think for a second.
if we were in his state, as an outsider, i think we would be the same things.
of course it sounds heartless coz we're watching him in the comforts of our home. but if i was there, i would be thinking exactly the same thing.
don't get me wrong. i just don't want evryone to go around throwing rocks at the reporter.

and as the second part of the journal, i forgot to put up a few of my own reviews.
there was a part in the journal and i quote;
"Another young woman told of how her husband had been killed last year before seeing his newborn baby daughter. She was almost defeated: with no husband and a young baby to look after, the desperate search for food took on a new dimension."
if any of you watched the journal, the young woman was actually the girl who looked less than 17 holding a baby. she practically looked lyk she was in her early 16s.

i'll be keeping this thread updated.
i'm currently trying to find any online petitions or support for this issue.
until then, let's all pray for the best for the hmongs and other unfortunate ppl around the world.
simplyalways
^..keep up the good work..i myself is HMONG...and hearing these things brought up tears..my dad is really interested in knowing what's going on with the hmong in the jungle so this is a great opportunity for me to update my dad..thanks soo much for the infos...^^
jun ji
I, myself, am hmong too. Thank you for spreading word about our hmong people who are still living in southeast asia. It definitely saddens me that so little, if not anything, is being done to help them. I cannot imagine how it'd be if I were to be there still. I'm so grateful that I live here in America, yet I wish something could be done to help them. I've signed so many petitions I found online, I've read many articles and have also contacted a few people who are "higher up" but with no success or even responses from them. I really wish there could be something we as in Americans and myself as a hmong could do to help those who are still there...living in fear.

May God watch over them and protect them. For 30+ years they've lived in fear...hope is not lost just yet as they've managed for this long.
kirstie_s
theres a whole other documentary on the genocide of the hmong in laos. i forgot who the reporter was but yea. i remembered we went over this last summer at summer school for contemporary and global issues.
there was a really horrible part in the video were they show a picture of a kid who was still alive with a hole in his stomache and his intestines hanging out >.< its soo sad
hmong_lubpaj
TT_TT

it's stuff like this that starts racism and such but you have to learn to work together to create a better and peacer world. but man...that's so sad, i kinda just want to cry right now. i'm so glad my family made it to the united states and i wish all the hmong people would just have had a better history and lives.
jogii
watching those videos made me cry my eyes out, i am so angry and disgusted at what is happening. this is one of the reasons why i hate humankind so much (not literally everyone but you get the idea right?). we're so ruthless and greedy and selfish and all we do is kill and cause suffering. we need to help and protect the Hmong tribes there sad.gif! not to mention every other group of people out there dying in and being murdered each day... arghhhh
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