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tis a wonderful life
hi all, what are some good thai singers and whatnot. i've heard of d2b and checked out some of their music which is pretty nice but i wanna get a feel for other thai music so please give me some recommendations
Oresama
hmm try GOLF & MIKE!!
they thai/japanese and there music great biggrin.gif !!

peace <33
Dah_jOkA
Lydia - Thai R&B singer, search her on youtube by typing "Lydia+Thai"

if you like rap listen to

Thaitanium - their lyrics eh but their songs are pretti catchy. Just Holla and I Know You Love Me and Doown are good songs
x__iiPR0MiSE
Clash
Golf Mike
G-Junior
Potato
Ice
Lydia
Bird
Film

that's all I can think of for now, just some of my favorites. [=
Booger Face
TaTa YOUNG!!




NOT. DO NOT LISTEN TO HER. She sucks.

One of my favorite songs from Thaitanium is "Ta Leung" feat. Nara.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSUCWQKxoo8

Lydia is good too. PM me if you want samples (a song or two. just to experiment).

I like Potato as well. PM me if you want samples.
luxsandie
All time favorite Thai singer

Sirasak Ittipolpanish

He sang for the OST of Roy Leh Sanae Rai and Leud Kattiya. OMG, his voice is so awesome, I could just melt.

But then again, he's kind of old compared to these newer people, like Golf-Mike.
mz.mamiie
Sek Loso
Lydia
Nat Myria
Peacemaker
Dreams II (girl project group with Lydia, Faye and Me(?))
Punch

that's all I can think of for the moment XD

but go to www.ethaimusic.com for more =)
dekchampu
QUOTE (Booger Face @ Sep 25 2006, 11:32 PM) *
TaTa YOUNG!!




NOT. DO NOT LISTEN TO HER. She sucks.

One of my favorite songs from Thaitanium is "Ta Leung" feat. Nara.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSUCWQKxoo8

Lydia is good too. PM me if you want samples (a song or two. just to experiment).

I like Potato as well. PM me if you want samples.



i love that song...do you know the english translations to that song? i've been trying to find it but nothing >_<
itrayya
POTATO is always good. im bias. i just love them tooo much.
CLASH. Bank sings sooo powerful.
CHINAWUT INDRACUSIN! the teen hotness of thai music. *sighs*

um.... BODYSLAM.
BLACK VANILLA.

PEACEMAKER, Boy has a really nice voice. i think that's his name.

OH!!! CALORIES BLAH BLAH!!!!!
his voice is soooooo sweet!! makes me sleep. so soft.

ENDORPHINE. DA sings sooo powerful.
i think she's one of the women power voice of thailand. so great.

um....
GOLFMIKE is okay too.
LYDIA. okay.
PUNCH. sweet voice.
PALAPOL. i love his voice. really fatherly to me. smile.gif

*rants*
platooz
I recommend
CLASH --- BANK has power voice n many songs so good

ICE SARANYU

AOF PONGSAK

TATA TOUNG

BIG ASS

LYDIA

ETC.........
ImSmiley
CLASH!!! i love their songs and Bank is just so hot!
me094
I used to listen to thai music regularly but i kind of stopped... but the beginning of this year i started again when i heard a song by Clash... and now they are one of my fav bands... Bank is hot and has such a powerful voice...

Recommend:

Definitely... CLASH, Nat Myria, Lydia, Basher, and Aof... that's all i can think of right now...
Debussy
i can upload some songs for you if you wants to know what some of these people sound like. I have a lot of current thai albums. : )

rock / pop rock

bodyslam
clash
potato

they're all good.

triple flavor - nara/kal/gemma
ETC. is good too.

I guess they're r&b/soul.

golf mike (of course) and k-otic , nice 2 meet u, G JR for your secret pretty boy collection.

I'm also liking preppy g (gjunior girls) debut album.

neko jump
knes
ice saranyu
zaza
black vanilla
mos patiparn
bie



YeHae_OCEAN
ICE SARUNYU (Need ANYTHING on him, ASK ME)
Aof Pongsak
Peck Palitchoke
Mos Patiparn

M-The Star (M Auttapon)
Bie The Star
Kat English
Lift & Oil
Num Sornram
Golf & Mike

Chin [he's new]
AB Normal
PEACEMAKER
Calories Blah Blah

Dragon 5
ENDORPHINE [DA, she is awesome]
FOUR-MOD
China Dolls
Dao-Ke
Clash
Bua Chompoo Ford

Buddha Bless
Big Ass
BIRD THONGCHAI
PAUL PATTARAPON
Potato


Anyways, I listen to most of them, I have some albums as well..if you want something just let me know..
hellomelia
QUOTE (luxsandie @ Sep 26 2006, 01:26 PM) *
All time favorite Thai singer

Sirasak Ittipolpanish

He sang for the OST of Roy Leh Sanae Rai and Leud Kattiya. OMG, his voice is so awesome, I could just melt.

But then again, he's kind of old compared to these newer people, like Golf-Mike.


same goes for me. Sirasak's songs are super gooood.
itrayya
QUOTE (ImSmiley @ Nov 27 2007, 08:49 AM) *
CLASH!!! i love their songs and Bank is just so hot!


^ see. that's true.
wow. so many thai music lovers here!
yah!!!!

Bank has one of the most talented voice.
i promise. im sure no one has been dissapointed before.

but then again, there's Pup Potato too. tongue.gif
both really vocally talented.
joogrlpekaun
QUOTE (itrayya @ Nov 27 2007, 08:13 PM) *

Bank has one of the most talented voice.
i promise. im sure no one has been dissapointed before.


It's true! I LOVE his voice and Clash's songs. Clash and Potato are my top two in Thai music. After that probably Bodyslam and Endorphine. People have already given a lot of recs but I definitely agree with those ones.
icebé
for rock i would say clash, potato, ritallin and (dunno if they count as rock though, ok let's say pop-rock) black vanilla, gear knight
pop: nana, m auttapon, etc, laolom, me, ... and the newer groups, dunno if they'r good or not cuz i haven't heard much of them yet but they'r k-otic, prince, maxx...oh and hotwave guys, if they count as music^^.
tantan
YEAHHHH
Body slam
Peace maker
and Tor Saksit => I dun know how to spell his last name..

^^
loveme100x
Golf-Mike! Golf-Mike! Golf-Mike! Golf-Mike!

and then there's:

Ice Saranyu
Aof Pongsak
Clash
Bodyslam
Thaitanium
Potato
AB Normal
Silly Fools
Maxx
Hotwave DJs
Knes

O_o I'm naming all guys. ROFL...xD...

One female singer I HIGHLY recommend is Kat English.
CandyRain
well..
i don't know lots about thai music..

just recomend GOLF MIKE!!!~~ <3 <3

nino_hero
I recomend ......

* My fav rock band

"Bodyslam" They are great !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMh2FEf0GvA >> Ya Pit (poison)

"Potato" The lead singer's name is PUP , I love his voice so much

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXENH3AiHKQ...feature=related >> Cheewit tee kard ter (ost. goong "i'm a fool --Thai version)

* My fav Pop singer

" Peck" He has many talent. Nice voice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBlmqiv6CDg...feature=related >> In Love&Card bai nueng

and Sure!!!!!!!
My best singer Golf-Mike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJgLqjdiiTo >> Fight for u (I think the most of you seen it already 55)
addickshun
i was introduced to thai music by a good friend of mine.

-- golfmike.
-- chin.
-- bodyslam.
-- endorphine.
-- retrospect.
-- clash.
-- potato.
-- ice.
-- girly berry.
-- buddha bless.
-- thaitanium.
-- zaza.
fauxie81
I think Buddha Bless are quite interesting relatively speaking. Thai music does lack originality. Some of the pop and pop rock is passable though. As yet there hasn't been any soul (at all), pop RnB or hip-hop that isn't laughably derivative. I'd rather listen to Loso than most of the new artists who come and go.

One thing, surely 'Clash' is a lawsuit waiting to happen, but I suppose the reach of the band is so limited as to not bother anybody?

I also heard there's a Thai artist called 'Prince'. Um... is he living under a rock? There is and always will be only one Prince. How did they let him call himself that??? Again though, not well-known enough to bother anybody?

Neus
The new Prince is a group of ¿4? boys (cant remember lol) and the mv I saw of them it was romantic, but just boring for me =u=

Oh, nobody said, if u wanna listen thai country music in a funny way u must try Pong lang sa on

And everyboy said already all those I recommend.
Rite now the most famous song is Jung wa hua jai from Bie Sukrit, I listen to it in almost every shop! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRnpJbRsWJk
trust[03]
QUOTE (itrayya @ Nov 27 2007, 04:02 AM) *

ENDORPHINE. DA sings sooo powerful.
i think she's one of the women power voice of thailand. so great.


Yep!They’re good esp mean vocal.
Da has amazing voice she sing very powerful and I luv her personality.

One of my favorite song Dai yim mai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFny0hdppQs



addickshun
sweet mullet and lydia and K-OTIC are pretty worthwhile cool.gif
itrayya
QUOTE (fauxie81 @ Feb 5 2008, 11:02 PM) *
I think Buddha Bless are quite interesting relatively speaking. Thai music does lack originality. Some of the pop and pop rock is passable though. As yet there hasn't been any soul (at all), pop RnB or hip-hop that isn't laughably derivative. I'd rather listen to Loso than most of the new artists who come and go.

One thing, surely 'Clash' is a lawsuit waiting to happen, but I suppose the reach of the band is so limited as to not bother anybody?

I also heard there's a Thai artist called 'Prince'. Um... is he living under a rock? There is and always will be only one Prince. How did they let him call himself that??? Again though, not well-known enough to bother anybody?


^ i respect your opinion,
but it seems so negative.
im just stating that, as you can state your own.
but.... he can call himself Prince as long
as he is not in the same music industry,
USA and Thai. smile.gif
and Clash is really good,
some American music sound the same too.


QUOTE (Neus @ Feb 5 2008, 11:28 PM) *
The new Prince is a group of ¿4? boys (cant remember lol) and the mv I saw of them it was romantic, but just boring for me =u=

Oh, nobody said, if u wanna listen thai country music in a funny way u must try Pong lang sa on

And everyboy said already all those I recommend.
Rite now the most famous song is Jung wa hua jai from Bie Sukrit, I listen to it in almost every shop! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRnpJbRsWJk


^^ i love that song.
Bie is really hot.
they really build his image well.
so poppy that song is.


QUOTE (trust[03] @ Feb 6 2008, 12:52 AM) *

Yep!They’re good esp mean vocal.
Da has amazing voice she sing very powerful and I luv her personality.

One of my favorite song Dai yim mai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFny0hdppQs


^ that song is good.
but the beginning does sound like Carrie Underwood's song.
but i still think that Da is a great singer.
sooo powerful!!! smile.gif

i havent been uodated with any new songs.
but im still hooked on Clash's- Gern Gum Gwaa Rak.

where's my POTATO boys at???
a new album along the way??? yah???
let me know. smile.gif

take care.
icebé
to fauxie81: wow, u really sound negative...thai music does lack originality? ok that's your opinion, but i don't think so at all (maybe i'm biased cuz i love thai music555) there are many talented singers/band in thailand, and i love how most songs have really good meaning, what american music often is missing...
and to itrayya: i'v got no idea what potato is doing now, but the last time i heard bout them, they made this one ost for a thai drama:
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw5yN3G67K8
555, really hope they release a new album as soon as possible!!!!!love them
some new songs for you, so that ur updated again,lol: - bodyslam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI_fZAuRGPY
- m auttapon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l408AG1YBQo
- lula: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iWk3AujHRY
- wan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hGPrVhoVJ8...feature=related
- d.i.y: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuLgc8AT_ZY
- d.i.y(preaw): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpyahRu3Zhw
- laolom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbxPLIqwknc
- punch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysg0PnW8at4
- ladykillers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhtaRBK1QAs
- notto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAfQEZdniJg
... there are so many new songs (lydia, chin...they'r new albums r soon gonna be released...)

and i love osts to thai movies/dramas555, here some:
- klear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz7nY0ygp70
- pitch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYV2RFUreg4
- calories blabla: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-KN-owU-dg...feature=related
- da&pop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qXSBAiEUCQ...feature=related
- punch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMZ3cE48gPo
not new songs, but love the meaning:
- etc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dqeyynEkF8...feature=related
- te: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1XaX7xGhy0
Neus
wow hard work with the links icebé smile.gif
it' not bout their music but the singer of Potato made a commercial about an energetic drink that's now all the time on tv, he plays a role that looks like a movie of indiana jones lol
itrayya
QUOTE (icebé @ Feb 6 2008, 06:07 AM) *
and to itrayya: i'v got no idea what potato is doing now, but the last time i heard bout them, they made this one ost for a thai drama:
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw5yN3G67K8
555, really hope they release a new album as soon as possible!!!!!love them


^ thanks!
i've already seen that. and heard that song.
Pup made me cry cause his voice is FLAW.LESS. !!!!!
they DO need to release an album soon. shoot. im waiting.
but im sure they're working on it now.
yah!! woop! woop!


QUOTE
it' not bout their music but the singer of Potato made a commercial about an energetic drink that's now all the time on tv, he plays a role that looks like a movie of indiana jones lol


^^^ REALLY!!!!!
ONLY PUP!!!!??!!??!!?!?!!
*faints*
that's my suga suga! eehhee.
thanks.
i want to see that.
awwww... POTATO. love them!
Neus
can find only the first commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS0yGM3V47E
the second one is much better he goes inside and needs to dodge traps, very cool lol
itrayya
QUOTE (Neus @ Feb 7 2008, 12:06 AM) *
can find only the first commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS0yGM3V47E
the second one is much better he goes inside and needs to dodge traps, very cool lol


^ AWWWW, THANKS NEUS!!!!!!
M150! woop! woop!!

you know, i know that drink is popular in thailand,
but they just starting selling it here where i live in
california. and the asian people are liking it.
i knew i had to buy it too! cause i remember my lovely Potato
boys relating to it. awwwww.

GO PUP!
im such a fan. ehehhee.
screams and root for him through the internet.
bleh. smile.gif

THANKS!!!

oh, im off topic.
QUESTION: what happened to the girl group CREAM?
they were good. i never heard of them after the 1st album.
yah???
thanks.
icebé
aww, thank u neus, 555, didn't see this one yet!!!!cream??? sorry no idea...
songielove
Currently in love w/ Bie's music right now... laugh.gif
He's known as.. Bie the Star. cool.gif
Malice_Kaiser
Thailand has some amazing rock music

Ebola and Retrospect are two amazing bands. Mali (มะลิ) is pretty good too. Just to name a few.
chubby^green^
gah the last time is listen to thai song is when i was just a barely teenagers...
and i cant help it during that time
teen bop song is my fav...
i think that time is like rs promotion vs grammy...
ha ha ha
but now i dont even know half the name u guys are talking about...
i need to go and watch all of that...
my all time fav
joni and lois (ha ha ha yes u guys can kill me!)
it has been so long isnt it....
sigh
but bird has alwasy been my fav so is nat...
d2b too
other than that...
happy.gif*
addickshun
anyone here listens to sweet mullet?

i'm so addicted to lydia and her voice~
some people i know hate her voice though
my friend's mom said she sounds like a cat stuck in the toilet ph34r.gif
miss_vicky
go to, ethaimusic.com, if you find the "Artists" tab, then click on that, then on the left, should be lots of Thai artists names that you can pick and look at. But it takes you to their lyrics tho. (^__^)

but i'm guessing you already got a lot of help anyways tho.


http://ethaimusic.com/archives/index.php

there's the link, look on the left side.
fauxie81
QUOTE (icebé @ Feb 6 2008, 09:07 PM) *
to fauxie81: wow, u really sound negative...thai music does lack originality? ok that's your opinion, but i don't think so at all (maybe i'm biased cuz i love thai music555) there are many talented singers/band in thailand, and i love how most songs have really good meaning, what american music often is missing...
and to itrayya: i'v got no idea what potato is doing now, but the last time i heard bout them, they made this one ost for a thai drama:
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw5yN3G67K8
555, really hope they release a new album as soon as possible!!!!!love them
some new songs for you, so that ur updated again,lol: - bodyslam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI_fZAuRGPY
- m auttapon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l408AG1YBQo
- lula: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iWk3AujHRY
- wan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hGPrVhoVJ8...feature=related
- d.i.y: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuLgc8AT_ZY
- d.i.y(preaw): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpyahRu3Zhw
- laolom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbxPLIqwknc
- punch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysg0PnW8at4
- ladykillers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhtaRBK1QAs
- notto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAfQEZdniJg
... there are so many new songs (lydia, chin...they'r new albums r soon gonna be released...)

and i love osts to thai movies/dramas555, here some:
- klear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz7nY0ygp70
- pitch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYV2RFUreg4
- calories blabla: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-KN-owU-dg...feature=related
- da&pop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qXSBAiEUCQ...feature=related
- punch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMZ3cE48gPo
not new songs, but love the meaning:
- etc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dqeyynEkF8...feature=related
- te: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1XaX7xGhy0


I think Thai music does lack originality, yes. Don't get me wrong, I love Thailand and I really like some of the music here, but just as in other areas of culture and the arts Thailand is currently struggling to find its own sound in music. I've always dug the old stuff from maybe 40 or 50 years ago and some of the uptempo country music as it is unmistakably Thai. I can never remember the names of the singers (usually female) but some of the old songs are hauntingly beautiful. Now, I don't know the average age on this thread (I'm 26) but you would probably laugh at the stuff I'm talking about, but as a foreigner with a keen taste in jazz, soul and funk music there's no way I can keep a straight face when it comes to an 'artist' like Chin. The older stuff has a quality that can speak to your soul. Some of the new artists haven't an ounce of soul in their whole bodies (Chin, Lydia included). Now, I know in the US and UK this often rings true also when it comes to the top 10 charts, but you never have to go far to find a Van Hunt, Common, D'Angelo or Cody Chesnutt. Thailand hasn't one artist that's even close to any of these aforementioned. I just feel like Thai music has lost its identity as it struggles to copy wholesale the US and UK music scene and unfortunately ends up producing a far inferior version of it. I think Thai music is at its best when it's not trying so hard.

Consider an Asian artist from another country, say the Japanese singer Utada Hikaru. Now here's a j-'pop' artist whose Japanese stuff is unmistakably Japanese. It's not all just pop either by a long shot. She's hard to categorise, yet she's very popular while still managing to be really very eclectic and full of music depth. Still Japanese music, no doubt, but mixes in so many other reference points, achieves popularity, but maintains her own musical quirks. That I find impressive. Unfortunately I just don't see to many Thai artists who have that well-rounded balance of cultural identity, artistic integrity and forceful personality. There's not enough charisma and far too few interesting musical ideas. If much of US and UK pop, pop-rock and mainstream RnB is all just 'by numbers' at the moment (and for a good 10 years now) then Thailand as I see it is just producing an even more bland knock-off of that. I want to hear more of the Thai in Thai music or why would there ever be any point in listening to the soulless croonings of Chin when there's D'Angelo, Van Hunt, Cody Chesnutt, Bilal, Rahsaan Patterson, Anthony Hamilton etc. etc. let alone all the 'greats' of the genre from the past 40 years? More Thailand in Thai music, please. There's so much culture, so much that is beautiful and interesting, that it's really just selling yourself short to copy another 'sound' and not do it particularly well.

Sorry for the epic post. blush.gif
iDOLLY
ENDORPHINEEEEEE!!!!

:]

~SiNcErEz~
i dont know what genre u prefer
but if u like pop i recommend these music and artist

Katreeya English: "Baby, I Miss You."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etyokIq-hzI
i love this song XD try it try it!

Ice Saranyu
yea cant miss him
try him ~ he also debut in Japan too XD

Senorita
i dont know them much but i just love this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75Wk42ZXrak

Zaza:Love these girl and their song ~ XD
Am fine:These band rock also ~
Palmy:She awesomes!
Punch:A girl who own my heart XD [< --- i use this a lot didn't i? = =;]

and GOLF MIKE!


for rock or pop rock
my fav is BodySlam and Potato XD ~ they make good song!
really if u know thai the lyric r just so good
this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R_FOFqe5hU
BodySlam: Ok Huk [Heart Broken]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI_fZAuRGPY
BodySlam: Nalika Dtai [Dead Clock ?? lol not sure about translation correctme!]

XD i freking love these song of them well
i like all of their song SERIOUSLY!

- - - -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DyG1efPqgw
Potato: Ruk Tae Do Lae Mai Dai [True Love That Can't Take Care Of?? not sure either lol ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLXkpvqbi8I
Potato: Bpakk Dee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peEM2AZLaPE
Potato: Mai Hai Tur Pai ['I won't let you go' this one im sure lol]

and there are alot of other song of them too
but this is just like my most fav

and yea like everybody else Clash is good too
but not for me that much i like the song tho

Blackhead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9cijICCom8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMnE92NRT_I

and yea that's it for now~
lol not too much isn't it?
i'll be happy to hear ur opinion about this
itrayya
^ good choices.

POTATO always for me.
CLASH, really popular among Hmong- Thais i see.
Bodyslam, jamming it!!!!

i think music like... that one girl...
the one that wants to rap...
RS promotion.
i forgot her name.

it's artist like her that im kinda like.... mellow.gif
*shrugs* i guess.

but i think that CHIN is trying his best to be a good artist.
i know that the thai music industry isnt really allll that when
you compare it to the american and korean industry,
but i think that it's artists like Chin that will be a pioneer for younger generations.

uh... i LOVE POTATO. smile.gif
x_nana
gotta listen to my favorite bands...CLASH, BODYSLAM, POTATO, ENDORPHINE.

then there's the older artists i like...Marsha, Mai, and Bird

other notables...ice sarunyu, peck palitchoke, aof pongsak, bie the star, m the star, oak smith, chin chinawut, K-OTIC, JKI, Hotwave Project

and there's people i don't listen to, but they're quite famous and well known...Golf-Mike, Girly Berry, Nice 2 Meet U

K-PopFighting
POTATO
GOLF-MIKE.
CLASH.
Woooo lmao.
addickshun
i want lydia to do a comeback v__v
itrayya
QUOTE (addickshun @ Feb 10 2008, 09:24 PM) *
i want lydia to do a comeback v__v


^ hehehee.
she is.
she's back with new stuff now.

um.... i hope... POTATO would bust a comeback. smile.gif
itrayya
Potato's new single, i heard it.
me like.

anything Potato, me like. tongue.gif
icebé
QUOTE (itrayya @ Feb 29 2008, 01:47 AM) *
Potato's new single, i heard it.
me like.

anything Potato, me like. tongue.gif



really???? where did u get to hear it????? i must search for it 5555, want to hear it badly, and so true, anything Potato is perfect for me!!!!
CandyRain
i watch Prince recently and they are pretty good... ^^
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