i just preordered my 360 yesterday along with need for speed most wanted anybody else gonna get one?

i have a quick question bout the 360 being wireless i was tlking to a verzion rep who told me tht i could use my laptop as a router and my 360 could read off the signal was wondering if tht was true? i am currently going to buy verzionz wireless card just wondering if anybody has done this with their game systems?

i'm sure everyone knows the 360 was launched early this morning and in a interview with Brian Lee, financial chief of Microsoft (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9968123) said they were aiming for 3 million sales in the first 3 months. how do you think it will go? 3 million is pretty ambitious considering the high cost and PS3 and Revolution looming in the distance, despite it being holiday season.

i think it's bad business sense for microsoft to launch this early before sony or nintendo. sure, xbox 360 will have it's time in the limelight for a few months but when the PS3 comes out closely followed by the Revolution, the hype for the 360 will die pretty fast as everyone is rushing to get sony (has the best selection of popular franchises and best games IMO) and nintendo's (free online wifi access and dowload of classic games) next gen consoles. the 360 won't be fresh in everyone's mind anymore and ultimately get pwned and become obsolete. i think microsoft should've waited until closer to the launch of the other two systems.

agree? disagree? discuss!!

doesn't this belong in tech forums?

no, video games can also be discussed here...


I think its a good move by microsoft... by releasing the 360 at this time, they can gain an advantage over Sony and Nintendo... That is to establish the 360 by the time PS3 and Revolution make their releases... By the time those other systems are released, the 360 should have a somewhat decent library of games from (1st and 3rd party companies) and trusted consumers while the other parties still have a small amount of games available mostly from 1st party companies... That was the advantage Sony had with the PS2 during the current console generation... The PS2 while inferior to the X-Box in terms of system capabilities, had its dominance over X-Box and Gamecube because of its wide selection of games where as X-Box and Gamecube's selection of games paled in comparison... Online console gaming is also becoming very big now... X-Box has established a great online community with X-Box LIVE, despite the fact that there is a fee for it... That is something that Sony has been able to achieve... Nintendo is starting up with its Wi-Fi connection and perhaps Sony will come along as well... I still do not think that Nintendo and Sony can beat Microsoft when it comes to online gaming...

The hype for EVERY system dies out... It happened with every system in the current console gen... The X-Box did great over here and I dont see why the X-Box 360 would fail in such a period of time... Perhaps in Japan it won't be as great, but over here in the States, I think it will do great... Now if the Dead or Alive series were to not be X-Box exclusvie anymore, then I would see X-Box 360 taking a big hit since that is one of the system's most popular games...

Personally, I think the PS3 is overhyped and people are putting WAY too much confidence into it... Sony seems to be getting a little cocky when it comes to the console and i think that can really bite them in the ass later on... Microsoft and Nintendo still seem to be the underdogs in the nextgen console war, but they should not be underestimated at all... that would be a huge mistake by Sony...

what good will it bring to release 3 consoles at the same time???
microsoft was smart to release the xbox360 during the holiday season,
they will have one year head start, by the time ps3 is released,
xbox will be cheaper, have much more array of games,
and the second wave of games will be utilizing the full potential of the xbox360.
when ppl sees that ps3 and xbox2 have abilities that are almost the same,
what do u think they will choose?
by now, all of the xboxes have been sold, you could go and look, i swear u wont find any.

ah yes, but define success. although microsoft has a strong following in the states, it is weak in japan and the PAL areas, and microsoft is losing money on xbox. i don't believe they've yet made a profit. they're hoping to turn things around with the 360. even with a good line-up of games so far to the holiday release, i don't think they'll release many more great quality games before the other consoles come out. i would think they'd put out THE best games they've got at launch and before the holidays (to cash in on the fresh hype), so all games coming afterward will not be as great.

i'm not saying it will fail but it will lag in the console war, even behind nintendo. i like to use the analogy of Toy Story. Woody(360) came out before Buzz(PS3 and Rev) and everyone loved Woody but when Buzz came out the kid almost completely forgot his hype over Woody and put all his energy into Buzz. that's how i think it will be when the other consoles come out.

sony overhypes all their consoles and practically BS's us with information and specs all the time, but what do they care? they have the most third party support and best games like final fantasy and dragon quest (that come to mind right away). more people are going to buy the ps3 than any other console so sony is going to get a lot of support, maybe enough to single-handedly overwhelm 360.

the rev on the otherhand, is pretty mysterious. they're going to have a big fanbase for the classics and seem to be getting massive support from leading developers in japan (but who actually will produce games for the rev, we'll have to wait and see). i think nintendo will do very well, better than 360, but that remains to be seen. nintendo's still hiding a lot of things from us.




yeah i've been hearing there's a lot of shortages reported everywhere, but i guarantee that by the end of the week, there will be 360 stacked to the ceiling. all this shortage crap is stupid. you KNOW microsoft made plenty considering they're aiming for 3 mil in 3 months, they're just delaying the shipping to get more hype.

hmmm it is a good time to release and by releasing they're product before there competition shows how confident microsoft is with 360. so i think in 3 months 3 million is going to be easy for microsoft. however i wouldnt purchase one because im addicted to mario kart on ds. XD

3 million is a very modest number imo,

this is the holiday season, and the xbox is the only next gen console out at the moment... selling 3 million will be a breeze.

3 million units in 3 months is a very ambitious goal that will not be met.

They're all sold not because of huge demand but because of production shortages. As for the 360 being cheaper by the time PS3 and Revolution comes out, that's debateable. Why? In one year's time, fabrication techniques won't just be cheaper for Microsoft, it'll be cheaper for Sony and Nintendo as well. In terms of games, reports have it that the PS3 will be launching with MGS4, Warhawk, GT5, and Tekken. That about blows away the 360's launch lineup and anything they come up with in a year's time.

Another important factor is the ridiculously huge Japanese support that PS3 has, even moreso than the PS2(which was behind its success).

Next up, 90 million PS2 owners aren't all going to rush out and buy a 360 and abandon the PS3.

Next, almost 100% backwards compatability right out of the box. I don't really care for BC but it's an important feature apparently. Xbox360's BC is too much of a nuisance.

Next, free Blu-Ray DVD player. You scoff now but that's only because you're closed minded. A major driving force behind the PS2's success was the free DVD player and it'll be the same now.

Next, technical specs that match or exceed the 360 at the same cost. Fortune reported that a Sony rep stated that it would sell at a loss initially at a price-point of $300-$400 USD.

Microsoft definitely made the right move by launching early because they can get more of their systems in homes but at the end of the day, they're market position won't be that much different from this generation. And if I was an Xbox owner, I'd be pretty wary of the 360 from the get-go as Microsoft abandoned the Xbox pretty damn quickly and you can count on 1 hand minus 2 fingers and a thumb that completely took advantage of the hardware and pushed it to its limits. AAA PS2 titles are still on the horizon while the Xbox is all but dead already.

PS3 - market leader
Xbox360 - same share as Xbox + half of Nintendo's current market share
Revolution - half of Gamecube's market

5 years is a pretty long run for the xbox...
xbox was the stepping stone for microsoft, this time around things will be different for sure.
so if sony can afford to subsidize ps3 into $400 range, dont u think ms will be able to match that? my guess, $300 for the premium, $200 for the core when ps3 is here.
as for the sony's launch titles, im sure ms can match those with splinter cell, elder's scroll, forza2, and killer instinct?... not to mention gears of war, halo3 anyone?
bd player, bill gates himself said they might release xbox with hd drive if the market is ready..

the recents games that game out for the Xbox 360 are not that great =.="

That same analogy could be applied to the PS2(Woody), X-Box, and Gamecube(both Buzz), but PS2 still had more success despite it being older. It doesn't really work since that can work both ways...



I find interesting that you list PS3's games and say their launch titles will be better anything X-Box comes up with in a year without listing any X-Box titles...

Perfect Dark Zero, Quake 4, and Kameo are on the tops of their list... Dead or Alive 4 which comes out around december easily gives Tekken a run for its money and can easily take the #1 spot in video game sales... Dead or Alive 3 did that and that game is what appeals to Japanese players. Unless someone shows me that Tekken has sold better than a rival DOA game, I believe that DOA is now the better of the two... Elder Scrolls is an up coming RPG series widely known to X-Box and PC users, and its latest installment, Oblivion will undoubtedly be a great game.

It hasn't been mentioned yet, but I think Final Fantasy is about ready to go its grave. From what I hear from all my gamer friends, FFXII is complete crap and does not even have the feel of a true Final Fantasy. If FFXII turns out to be crap, but then I will have no hope for it during the next generation... This series took a dive after X-2's release...

Although I won't be getting a 360 this holiday season, I will be looking forward to Dead or Alive 4 and Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, which is just an absolutely stunning game.

Bill Gates said they expect to sell 3 million units in 90 days or something like that.
Anyway the 360 will probally do atleast 2 million in that time. Has anyone in this dull
"Message Board" Even played the 360? = Doubtful.

Edit:

Okay, I think a lot of people are missing the point here. The 360 is next gen because it is capable of delivering a PC quality visual experience and unmatched gaming experience on a TV. I have seen so much hate towards the 360 because its only as nice as a high end pc...which is why its next gen. Tell me the last time you could play PC quality games on a console?

Never... the only system that even came close to that was indeed X-Box...

^ Exactly

i'm not bashing the 360. i'm simply saying that if in fact the game line-up for the 360 can rival that of the PS3, then it would be better business sense to release it sometime near the release of the PS3. if the 360 games are really better, then microsoft will gain a strong foothold in the "console war." i just think they're too early with 2 juggernauts and an array of more famous and popular games coming around the corner that the 360 flame might get snuffed out.

I think it's a good move. It's pretty stupid to put up a fight against Nintendo or Sony. I dont think 360 is that expensive anyways. I think its selling for $500 bucks CDN with the hard drive. I bought PS2 when it first came out in its first month. Cost $500 bucks too and the next week...price dropped to $400..I got ripped -.-

I'm still not sure what to get. 360 or a PS3..I'll have to compare the graphics between the two first and i'll make a choice

Now now, why buy XBOX 360 if you have a high-end rig that is capable of playing almost all the line-up games that XBOX 360 has? The latest video card has better graphics or is on-par with XBOX 360, to the consumers, its a HUGE waste of money to buy XBOX right now. Buy the time the price goes down for XBOX, the PS3 and Rev will be out.

I doubt Microsoft can sell 3 million units of these when the systems at launch were found defective.

wow talk about big sony fanboy but you know I'm not even goin to start...let ignore this post for now...

Some power? More power than any PC. And for all anyone knows the PS3 looks worse than the PS1, because it is not a reality yet,.

video card alone could cost more than the xbox

*looks at PS3 controller* *Jumps off cliff*

had a friend of mine that had his 360 burnt out within 30 mins of playing it

maybe because of the xbox 360's early release sony could use it to their advantage and "tweak" the ps3 to make it better than the xbox 360. When ps3 comes out it already has to compete against the 360 graphics, and sony already figured out what kinds of graphics 360 has with the early release and what they need to exceed it. It be stupid IMO if ps3 had weaker graphics than the 360's because they should know people are going to be comparing the ps3 with the 360.

do i miake any sense with what i just said?

What I read this line "Tell me the last time you could play PC quality games on a console?" I don't see the hype with graphics at all (yes the quality of it). Well in general about graphics though. It doesn't have to be that realistic. BUT this is my opinion, I personally don't care about graphics quality, but enough so I can see that "oh its a cat or it's a sword". If the future is base on graphics then you might as well look at completely airbrushed perfect women in magazines. - Oh wait it''s already like that. I don't mind if people put graphics high on their list because that's how some people like it. I don't think it should be solely based on it. Beside the PC is like the ultimate "console system" it's great to compare with it at times, but you can't always.. since technology is just constantly changing x.x. And they make consoles like every two years or something.


Anyways I think the launch is great.. but really I don't think it will sell so well. In the words of Theodore Roosevelt there are two kinds of victory, initial victory and final victory (OK so I quote it wrong and maybe got the wrong person, you get the idea). Sure the 360 has a great jump start on the market since PS2 and GC was like that last year. BUT Sony and GC had a history of video games already. So with the 360 launch.. I do think it will be sold out, but think how much would be sold back? How many people will realize it's just a waste after? I think Microsoft THINKS by getting this jumpstart they will get the most popularity or something (MOST sales)..


Cultures are different, from people I'm surrounded with (or I see) they want that mature 'cool/popular 'stuff so they turn to Xbox or PS2. How society is into what is cool, would turn to that what people play most without even playing. They turn to what is cool and how would they know what's cool? By looking at the graphics. I think that what sets a factor in Microsoft's success of the 360. That could make the 360 possibly to its 3 million mark. Also the fact since it's near the holidays, but what does December 25 make out to the Japanese, Europeans, Asians, Mexicans, Lationos, Canadians? "Oh time for Americans to spend money for their love ones = GOOD BUSINESS".

If you want to sell them all out at the same time, it would be a better view to which system would sell the most, but because of Microsoft's head start, it's somewhat inaccurate in the end to compare the three systems.


TO MY POINT: 360 looks like it has a succesful launch, but I wouldn't want to say it "won the war". They have a huge fan base. Revolution.. well Nintendo's stragety is going low for systems and having a lot of money spend on everything else. At least that's what it appears to be. I just want to find what system would be great for gameplay with a nice library of it.

The Xbox's library wasn't even much to look at and I can say the same for Gamecube (man all those Zelda games on there.. I'm so happy Twlight Princess is coming), but GC, I think, had MORE popularity with its background and all. I mean if Revolutiom did get most of the popular 3rd parties, that is something worth watching. The library, I'm hopeing will be great, not some flux or half-put job --thinks back on FF:CC--.

Even if the 360 had a decent amount of games, interest seems to lurk more towards Revolution with it's umm "innovative" idea. And Sony has their base of 3rd parties to support them. I think they be more busy with them than 360. The only game I would applaud is DOA4. What games would be so great on 360 worth getting? Halo 3? I think you'd find that PC too later on.. I think it will entertain people just for a couple of months until something more unique or cool comes up (personally I don't think anything really will, but who knows).

I thought the 360 was already going to have a price drop? From what I think (if they did have a price drop) it would be lack of sales I think. So I guess they can reach that 3 mil with inexpensive systems..


.. I'm curious to see how Revolution and PS3 will turn out. The boomarang controller from Sony with it's grill-like system and Revolution's look a like DVD player with it's REMOTE controller. it's like fans vs uniqueness. Sony has its long time supporter as of Nintendo. BUT Nintendo, with the GameCube just somewhat killed it and the fact Xbox came out and PS2's huge popularity. It made a flux?

Now I'm hopeing Nintendo makes some kind of comeback. They've been excluded from most topics, whether it is because of it's unknown specs or because "PS2 and Xbox r KOOL" or people aren't familar with the old schoolness of it, it doesn't seem worth arguing about Sony and M$ if no one has a more valid say on Nintendo's part. Seriously it just seems that's all it is is graphics, people won't like Gamecube because of its appeal to EVERYONE (little kids and girls) therefore getting some exlclusion in the "big mature kids world". Anyways GC sucked IMO, just that system with the games well just not as appealing as Sony's. The games were all right, but I wish it was better like SNES or 64. People tend to look for the graphics and "what cool games are there". Gamecube lacked those IN. A. WAY. The culture in America (mainstream wise) is everything I hear is GRAPHICS GRAPHICS GRAPHICS(looks), are we that superfical? Does everything have to look soooo great? Is that how everyone suppose to know about different consoles base on which is better? /end personal vent

BTW I have to agree FF's games are just getting um... not repetitive, just the quality (gameplay storyline wise) of the game is worse. Go old school for gooodness sakes. I want to even say some of the old-school 2-D! games are better than the ones today. It may not be graphics that are so real you can't tell if it's a real person or a cg one, but I love playing those 2D games for hours.


In the end.. I have to hand it to Microsoft.. coming "late into the console" world and using their speciality (well the computer which has the internet) of the online community and attracting them to a console. Since the majority of gaming came from Japan, Microsoft coming out of motherboard and making games, competiting with the long time game industry of Nintendo and Sony (gaming wise). I just find that thought to be interesting.

Also to the above post.. I thought Sony's PS3 is more powerful than M$'s 360? And more like Sony watching how the 360's sales are doing? They would be compared nonetheless though.

look on ebay , see how many xbox 360's there are -.-;;

greedy people making big profits off ebay.

ROFL when did I ever say anything about PS3 being better than XBOX? Hmm? Read the post before you make an idiot out of yourself.



But wait in the end you get an awesome COOL LOOKING rig that can word process, photoshop, play games that could be played on XBOX 360. And for those who have HDTV, you can even plug that into your computer! ZOMG!

It's better off to upgrade your computer with some extra ram and video card than to spend it on a console.

So I'm a PC fanboy not a Sony fanboy. Kthx

my friend played perfect dark or something and the system just turn black after a while playing.


xbox 360 = just sell that on ebay and get a big profit out of it
my friend sold his and made about 800 profit wise.

whoever has a 360 think about selling it

why would u think it's better for microsoft to lauch the same time as othe two
for me that's worse business sense

it was a good move by microsoft to lauch before the two
launching before just means that people will have access to it and buy it before other two comes out
and because it's coming out before the big holiday, it's sure to get a BIG boost in sales considering the other two wont be around that time
if they launched all three at the same time, then people would have more choice to choose from and that means less sales for microsoft

but yea i wouldnt get it personally, i would rather get ps3
my friend waited outside a whole day for xbox last night and he got one
and now he's selling it on ebay and it's going for insane prices!!!!!!!

heard some of the 360 aready have hella bugs. i saw a video pgr3, and it just crashed while it was being payed. most ikely, il wait when the bugs are fixed

One lesson I've learned from watching the madness that is the X-Box 360 launch is this: Pre-order a PS 3, then auction that baby off on launch day, because there are people who are crazy enough to pay more than retail. I've seen an X-Box 360 Core bundle going for over $500 on Ebay. And I thought I was impatient.

I think it was a smart move by Microsoft to release the X-Box 360 earlier than their counterparts. Launch titles look nice, though most just seem to have the graphics, but not much new in gameplay. They have Thanksgiving and Christmas all to themselves to establish a huge user base, and most owners of the system will pass on word of how good the system is to others, allowing the X-Box 360 brand to really sink in.

dont u wish u were one of them? i certainly do lol

Ahhh, but we're not talking about games now, are we? Technically speaking, we're talking about a piece of electronic equipment, right?


Yup, it was on the news too, people camping out in lines to get the 360, and selling it on ebay for double it's worth, not bad. Thinking it might take you a few hours to grab the 360, and a coupla days to sell it on ebay, that's a quick way of doubling your money for minimum work.
But i hear the 360 won't be able to play xbox games, which is a mistake cause i'm sure people have spend over 150 bucks accumliating games for the xbox, which is all garbage now. PS3 will most likely allow PS2 players to carry over their games to the new system.

360 only allows SOME backwards capability, they have a list haha. i don't know what kind of decision that is.

the shortages were created by MS. they're witholding stock just to generate hype. some retailers that were supposed to get say 100 consoles would only get 10, so now you have angry customers and ppl that will pay 200% just to get their hands on one and play... nothing worth mentioning.

if there are indeed all these bugs found on the 360, word will get around about that instead of how great the console is, which would in turn lower sales, no? the benefit of waiting for microsoft is to actually take the time to find and fix all these bugs so that when it comes out people will notice how there aren't any problems. sony and nintendo will benefit from microsoft launching this early because they will know what problems the 360 has and check to see if their own consoles have any similar problems to fix.

plus, SOME backward compatability? that's a downer for them. i wonder why they chose to do that. even with the shortages to create hype, people are auctioning it on eBay, so M$ is not getting the extra money. they can't raise their prices to cash in on the hype so i don't know the point of that. sure more people will buy it quickly before the price drop but even more of people will still wait.

more people will have access to it, yes but i think the 360 hype will be shut out when the PS3 and Rev come out. i'm speculating roughly 6 months between now and when the PS3 and Rev will launch. it's easier to put up a fight against the PS3 and Rev when they all come out at the same time because everybody is fresh and no one knows what to expect. with the 360 launched early, the competition already know it's weaknesses and can exploit it. (me and my stupid analogies, bear with me) okay you got M$ initiating the fight with its 360, starting out strong and all, 6 months later, you got the PS3 and Rev coming on strong, knowing all of the 360's weaknesses and M$ not as strong anymore because hype wears down overtime. now Sony and Nintendo can easily knock out M$. but that is just me.

PS2 had problems too when it launched, they usually fix it in their second or third shipment.

and it's not just SOME backwards compatability, there's over 200 games, and plus u can download patches over the live for even more games...

and please, microsoft isnt restriciting sales of xbox to create hype, that's just what fanboys speak. this is what u get for trying to release in all three territories at the same time.

and microsoft holding back to release xbox to let the competitors have fair chance of fighting? give urself a pat on the back plz... that is the dumbest sh!t ive heard for some time...

yeah they are...they are doing that so they can say "we were the number 1 selling console in the holiday season" so they can keep the price of the console for a long time

its all a ploy on thier part to do this

Well of course hype will die out by the time PS3 and Revolution launch. Whenever something new comes out, there will always be hype. I think the hype for the PS3 and Revolution will die out in the same duration of time the 360's hype will die out. Once all this hype is over that is when the REAL competition begins. I personally support every system and if I see nothing but bias for one system, I will argue against it.

oooooh okay, i guess when u say it then it must be all true...

who cares that there's only 1.5 million consoles to go around in all three territories...

its a marketing strategy.
They limit distribution when they know demand is high,
the huge -Sold'Out- of the console becomes news on its own, creating more hype for xbox360.


and some of u xbox / playstation enthusiasts really need to shut up. they're both going to be great systems, ur both going to play ur favorite ones. and. PC rules all lol

wow, some many marketing geniuses in this board, microsoft should hire all of u.

^

yeah right, unless people here are freakin computer/video game specialists/designers/technicians with college degrees, microsoft would laugh their butts off at us trying to work for them, even though Bill Gates himself never finished High School...

yes, more hype=more people willing to buy it at face value before a price drop is necessary to keep sales going.

you misunderstand me (or i think you are because your question doesn't really make sense). releasing at the same time as it's competitors rather than a while before will improve microsoft's chances of not getting overshadowed by two giants. i'm not saying that if they wait to to release the 360 their competitors will have a fair chance of fighting. that's bad market sense. but by not waiting they're giving their competitors a chance to scope the 360's mistakes and evaluate M$'s marketing strategy and use it to their advantage.

in the span between the 360 release and the release of the other two consoles, the hype will decrease (obviously, it happens to all consoles) and the hype for the PS3 and Rev will increase as we get closer to the release dates. growing hype for the two giants will eminently cause the 360 (with declining hype) to be overshadowed.

the market is mostly made up of casual gamers, i think we can all agree on this (might i note the 360 is targeted towards hardcore gamers), so they'll get a 360 because it's cool and shiny. then 6 months later when they've been playing it for so long comes two newer and shiny toys to play with. then the gamers will shift to that and the 360 will get less attention and the market will shift the same way.

just to make it clear, i'm not a fanboy of anything and i'm not biased against microsoft.

hence the hype surround mediocre games that wouldn't even cut it years ago.

i was gonna throw in doa as an example but thats a lost cause

I think you need to take into consideration that since MS is releasing their console before their two main competitors, they will have exclusivities; thus have dominate (first dubs) of the market share where as, Sony and Nintendo will be in a lesser desired position because of their late entries.

Think of it this way, there is a pool of 100 people wanting to buy the next generation console and since MS entered the market first, they will get exclusivities in reaching all of the 100 people. Let say that 60% of these people are causal gamers so they will only buy one console and let say 30 people bought the 360 before the Sony and Nintendo’s consoles entered the market. Let’s also assume that of the 30 people that bought the 360, 50% of them or 15 people fall in the casual gamer’s category. So this would mean that Sony and Nintendo would only be able to sell to a pool of 85 people, where as MS has the opportunity to sell to all the 100 people thus giving MS a competitive advantage because they release their system sooner. From here let say that Sony and Nintendo both entered that market 5 month after and once they entered the market, the ratio of sales between the three are 60% Sony, 20% MS and 20% Nintendo. I’m too lazy to finish working out the whole problem but as you can see since MS launched first they benefited greatly from it. I’ll work out the problem and give you the numbers if you are confused.... ( BTW, I work for the marketing department of a fortune 500 company where I have to decide/ analyze when our products should launch and which price point to use, when we should reduce the price ect...and this would be how we would do it—of course this example is overly simplified.)

By releasing their console first and having exclusivities, they are also able to charge a premium price-point longer because of the lack of competition. Now remember that in the example above, the pool of the total number of people wanting the next generation consoles is constant because to be able to analyze data you need a constant variable. You can argue that the pool of people demanding the product will increase over time but generally speaking in marketing research we have found it’s not the case, especially with products like these which have a shorter life span (meaning they become obsolete quickly).

Those are some of my thoughts to the posted question. Btw, a general rule of thumb is the company that’s able to roll out a new product first will always be the biggest winner because they are able to dictate the price-point (sell at a premium price) and the lack of competition. But since MS is taking a net loss on the consoles and is relying on the sales of games to profit, they will not make that big of a profit if they will even be able to profit at all. But MS’s software titles (Window) are such a cash cow for the company, they will be able to take in any losses...

I can’t wait to buy the PS3

STOP WRITING ESSAYS!!

and i think 360 was released too early

Umm, this is a discussion where detailed opinions are needed, not stupid one sentence replies like yours. You shouldn't even be in a discussion thread like this if all you are do is complain about entries that are "too long" or post a useless one liner for an answer. Your reply is nothing but a waste of space.

i dnt have techtv on are cable but my freind told me tht on techtv they had a special about the 360 i was wondering if someone here could help me out ive asked on their boards and looked around but the people on their are REALLY RUDE if anybody can help me id appericate it thnx

help on what?

yeah i have g4tv they was showing xbox 360 it was on for a long time
but i only watch half of it

i heard that the 360 is already having problems.......
microsoft's reply was something like "it's a complicated machine, technical difficulties should be expected"
riiiiight......i'm sticking with my PS2