*TOPIC CLOSED* INACTIVE..

These days I know some Soompiers who TR for other people have been feeling mad/sad/etc. because the requesters who asks them to make them things, ends up NOT USING IT!!! I'm one of those people who has experienced this.. and let me tell you, you completely feel discouraged and angry! This is 90% of the reason why I abandonned my TR threads :T Those who might think this is not a big deal, for ppl who take requests, it is.

So.... I've decided to make a blacklist thread; The artwork version. Yes, I got the permission from Chelly too so dont worry ^^

Basically, if you're a Soompier that TR, and the person didn't use the things you made for them, you list them here. Then maybe after about a month or so (depends on how many times they're listed here) can request again. The makers have the right to put "I won't make anything for members on the blacklist" (thanks Chelly for this part) in their rules -- if they have any. OHH and I forgot to add, you can blacklist Soompiers who didn't credit you for something!!!

It's about time we teach certain people a lesson <_<

I'm sorry if I didn't explain this well - for I SUCK at explaining things...so PM me for a question or jst reply here!

THE BLACKLIST+
none for now.


I'm going to be nice for those ppl who asked me to make something yet didnt use it, and not list you here :tongue2: Just watch out next time~

And comments on how to organize this thread will be appreciated & how it should.... improve? lols ^_^

FAQ+
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So the people TR has to check the list every so often?

And um, what if you KNOW it was just a mistake that they didnt credit?

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+Mmm..that's a good question :wacko: Honestly, I think even I will get lazy to check every so often.. hmm.. We'll see what we can do!
+If you know, then no need to blacklist. Simple like that XD :tongue:

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If I chose to blacklist..can it be anonymous..

A: Sure, just PM me or Saranghae012 (the artwork mod).

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how would u know if someone used it? cuz i have several things i want to use, so i rotate. xo what if u use it, but the maker of the graphic doesnt see you using it? o_o

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Make sure you tell the person you've requested from that you'll be using it soon or on rotation (whatever the case may be).

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If we end up on the blacklist because of a mistake or misunderstanding, will there be a way to get off of it?

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If there's a mistake/misunderstanding, there WILL be a way to get off of it. Dont worry about that.

I'm sorry for those who weren't so clear about this.. +_+ My fault T_T

-Jessica ;)

Ok!Stupid idiotic Lil has questions!!!!

What if it wasn't a rule to use the graphic requested?will that still count?

So the people TR has to check the list every so often?

And um, what if you KNOW it was just a mistake that they didnt credit?

if these questions were answered....you can hit me...becuase I am clearly blind then..lalalala
*runs away*
too lazy to PM....

@lilchan: You're not stupid Lil Don't worry!<3
+Well if it's not a rule to use the graphic requested, then that's fine. Basically, it's the maker's choice whether to blacklist or not.
+Mmm..that's a good question Honestly, I think even I will get lazy to check every so often.. hmm.. We'll see what we can do!
+If you know, then no need to blacklist. Simple like that XD

@ainkan: Well.. I don't feel guilt because what if you spent soooo much time making that one person's request and they dont use it? To me, I'd feel enraged...sad...I don't know..I guess it depends on each person ... if you feel guilt, might as well jst not blacklist them then...? But I prefer you do b/c it's jst unfair for the makers. It really is T_T

why thank you HappilyEverAfter.. now i'm fine. just edit my upper post.

If I chose to blacklist..can it be anonymous..
I feel guilt to blacklist people....and make ENEMIES!!!*gasp*
keke

if doesn't matter. if they dont want to use it why request then? eh? they should already be infrom that request and must use was in my rule.

But I'm saying the blacklist.

For example, lets say we suddenly had a new rule made today saying that we can't ride bikes anymore (Linh's so random XD), then someone says "I saw you riding your bike last monday (before the rule was made), you're guilty".. it's not very fair, you know? They didn't know the bike rule existed yet.

hmm.. =) what about this one. the rule says [no speeding]. and someone {fresh off the boat} speeds. they get a ticket. no warning. you speed, you get ticket. +D.. i guess nothing's fair.

Well, if it's after this rule was made that you see someone speeding, then it's fair to punish them because they should've read the 'no speeding' sign before driving wrecklessly. But what I'm trying to say is it's not fair that they get written up for something that they did like say.. 2 months ago when this (list) didn't exist.

I agree with what Linh has to say. Due to the past problems, we are now going to be taking action. For those who violated it in the past, it's in the past (i'm sorry but we're going to have to let those slide). We're going to begin this as of today 11/05/06. This is a new thing we're going to try out so let's hope it works.
I'm sorry for those who have been affected by this in the past and want to have those names down now, but i think this way is better so that everyone has a fresh start and are now aware there is a blacklist.
Sorry but thank you for your understanding.
-artwork mod.

woo hoo~~ chelly's taking order! ^__^

i agree with whats being said here... (although im pretty sure i've requested and forgotten to use. >__< forgive me~~ I will make sure i use. Clean start! =D)
This is a good rule though, and good idea~

but i have a question.. how would u know if someone used it? cuz i have several things i want to use, so i rotate. xo what if u use it, but the maker of the graphic doesnt see you using it? o_o

what a..interesting add to the artwork section. I agree with Linh(smartiepantsHAHA) Anyway, what MiSs L.E asked, I'm wondering about that too.

you should have said that in the start so i wouldn't have to debate with asianrice. SORRY! now that you guys made it clear, great.

I have the same question as MiSs L.E.- sometimes I can't start using something for quite a while due to uploading problems. If we end up on the blacklist because of a mistake or misunderstanding, will there be a way to get off of it? (Or at least just put on probation for a while?)

Yes, I'm very stupid, I know..^^

-Jennifer.

yes, a very interesting add to the artwork section.
hopefully i dont get listed in here :|
i agree with linh too! but this is a good add to the artwork section.
because it do understand what it feels like to not get credited, or take your time to stress about your requests, and make someone's for them when they forget about it, or dont use it at all.

I just dont want to get listed..0.o
I usually dont make people use my stuff...if people dont use it, then it must be not worth using(aka ugly)...so I dont care..lalalala

My master is so smart ._______. Your goose bow at your order. I'm sure this idea will make the request section better. Great thinking Jessica.

okay okay..

does this also apply to the people who fulfill the request threads but the requester didn't use it?

i mean that's a whole different ball game..

kuz then they're gonna be getting like graphics from like a dozen ppl and it's impossible to use all however many...

xhkxboix is asking dumb questions.. sorry ^^

but then again.. i got no worries of getting on this list... kuz i never request anything ^^

@sujinah & MiSs L.E: Make sure you tell the person you've requested from that you'll be using it soon or on rotation (whatever the case may be). If there's a mistake/misunderstanding, there WILL be a way to get off of it. Dont worry about that.

@xhkxboix: I'm really sorry, but I don't get your question Bahhh T___T Sorry~ Can you explain it more further? x_X; Man I suck at these things...

like you know how there are [taking request] threads and then you have the [request] threads..
i'm saying if someone made a [request] thread and then got like a dozen or more banners thrown at him/her
and i mean.. it'd be near impossible to use all of those banners.. so would that person also be penalized? erm... listed?

i love you guys. lol.

i have a question though.
what if the requestee links the graphics.
meaning, what if we saw hyperlink in his/her sig but it was not shown?
would that be counted too? :x

not that i'm facing that. it's just that i saw some who requested banners and did that. :x

jessica~~ thanks for clearing it for me!! ^_________^ you're awesome~

*scared* Jessica right?

damn girl. sdkjnks I requested a gif, Jerilyn made me one, but I'm not using it YET. Does that count? *dies*

@one.way_: That wouldn't be counted because that requestee is still using it, right?

@MiSs L.E: Pwhahaha nahhhhhh

@. SE7ENMiNE .: LOLL JANNY Don't worry, as long as you use it and Jerilyn knows you are. ^^

*raises hand*i have a question.. erm

what happens if the person who RQ just wanted the person who TR to make something for keeps?

i mean all the graphics here are awesome and i don't think anyone could remember rotating them everyday/weeks kind of thing but. if it so happens that the person RQ any banners/posters/avatars just wanted to keep it and use it as their wallpaper or something<-my friend does it, so will they be blacklisted too for not crediting the person?

O_o... i have a feeling that i'm asking something stupid but i really don't have the answer for myself ><

hope you can clear up the confusion

hrm i have a question. but it might sound dumb.

okie dokie:

I've pmed the requesters telling them that i finished their poster,banner,or cc. but never got a response back on the pm or on the thread. and they never even once used it. but others just take it without saying a thank you or anything like that. Would they be put on the blacklist?

thank you. just had some confusion. .

^^ yeah I dislike people who doesn't acknowledge the hardwork request takers do...I'm okay with them if they tell me that they can't use the work with valid reasons

I agree. Some people make their request all over the place. And in the end, they don't even use it.

This is interesting. It's good to get this started.
I mean, I don't care in the end if they use it... because I like photoshopping whatever (I'm not that great or anything)
But I understand if you work REALLY hard and they don't even acknowledge it.

When people request posters.... how do you know if they use it or not for a fanfic....?

^^ yeah...that's why information is important, unless they want it to keep it for themselves, that's also fine with me

hey hannah unni! <3
you can check and go to the fanfic thread and look for their thread, or ask part of the requirements, ask for a link to their story, OR if its one for an "upcoming" fanfic, maybe you could ask them to PM you when they post it up?

i just don't like it when they say "for upcoming fanfic" yet.. in the end they don't ever go through with the fanfic.. and they abandon their thread and you never get to know if the requestee ever saw the graphic and you just made it for no reason.. ^^
i mean i'm fine with it if they dun use it.. kuz i'm only filling in the requests for practice.. but not getting a response to it makes it kinda pointless.. kuz how do i know if it's any good or not.. so my purpose is destroyed T.T it's not practice until you know you've gained from it.. so like.. y'kno?

pplz these days.. haha

@xhkxboix: Oops I'm sorry I skipped your question in my early post x_o Hm, you should ask Chelly [Saranghae012 aka the artwork mod] about this. Honestly, I don't know.. it CAN be possible to rotate them instead of making request threads each time asking for a new bset [or whatever you're requesting..]

@chibi_chibit: Then that's fine. It really depends on the person who's taking requests [who's making the graphics]. Your friend will not be blacklisted for that because she's simply using the wp and there's not really a way you can credit that.. like... you know what I mean? LOL Unless she(he) wants to put in her siggy, 'My comp wallpaper's made by _____' - which has not been seen LOL Don't worry, there are no such things as a stupid question XD

@innocentlove: Oh man, I hate it when they do that -__-; Even if you PM them they don't do anything >T First off, they might have a reason - and that reason should be well.. reasonable lols. If they jst completely ignore you and never came to pick the request up, I'd blacklist them. For the ppl who don't have the etiquette and doesnt say even a 'thank you', although it's really rude, I don't think they should be blacklisted for that.. kinda sucks I know.. wait, did you mean they didn't say a 'thank you' but did use it? Or they jst didn't say 'thank you' AND didn't use it?

@xhkxboix: Haha you have a very good point here T.T


I'm sorry if I skipped any questions of yours.. I think I'm turning blind x_o

-Jessica

Poor Lil doesnt get this....
Most TR threads say to use it for a certain amoutn of time..like a few days, but they don't demand you to use it right after the person TR does the request...we can not really predict if they will use it in the future or not, so how can we decide to put them on the blacklist or not?Or do we have to start rewriting our rules?

i think the graphics artist, upon creating a TR thread, is well aware of the full consequences when they decide to make something for somebody. by stating it in their rules that they won't take the requests if the person won't use their works, the requestee would already know this. it is the artists own personal business to deal with the matter of their artworks not being used by the requestee from there on. no rule is written in stone that says you MUST use the item the artist creates for you, and if the artist has indicated this rule in their set of rules, then they have the right to refuse the request of the person.

sure, a "creation" of an artist is their work and they should defend it as need be, but just like any kind of good business, when the client receives what they've asked for, it is theirs to do with as they please so long as they do not alter it (for copyright infringement purposes here). again, if the artist has a problem with a person not using their graphics after they've made it upon request, they should deal with it personally.

i'm not disagreeing or agreeing with anything here. i just don't think a blacklist is necessary to point fingers and say this person is not allowed to request from anybody for a certain amount of time. "It's about time we teach certain people a lesson" -- without these "certain people," who else is going to request? there are TR threads because "people" want to request. why be so concerned about whether or not a person uses your work if you sincerely wanted to make it for them? taking requests shouldn't be feel/sound like a chore or forced labor.

it is good craftsmanship to care for your artwork, but a "blacklist" to downgrade members just for not publicly displaying a banner or icon or poster (in my opinion) is a bit too much. "teaching them a lesson" seems like an immature move to make from graphic artists who want respect (as they are seeking it now through this act of [minor] indictment). and no, i am not sorry for my two cents.



*waits for people to throw rocks*

Wow.. Mai, after reading your comment, you made me think it over again, and you know what? Mai, you're right~ (changing 180 degrees ><)

People taking requests who specifically want their requesters to use, should write so in their rules, otherwise, make it out of their own will. I know I request a lot because seeing their artwork, nonetheless something i wished to see customized, makes me happy and I truely do appreciate the artwork, even if I dont use it. I save everything onto my computer, and yes i have no life, but I do go to my pictures section, click on my "artwork" folder, and look through the things people have made me or just made in general. Although it may not seem like I do, I request because I want to see the PS-er make something beautiful again and wish to treasure it, not necessarily using it all the time because i have many beautiful things that i want to use, but I cant use them all the time and pointing out someone who doesnt use it doesnt seem right. Thanks mai, for really clearing my mind. =) *muah*

-hannah

*grumbles
I should've made a poll about this before making a fool out of myself

@kpopchild: You know, you've got a good point and I feel quite stupid now.. All I wanted to do was jst do something about it..I was sick and tired of ppl not using the things I made and seeing other ppl so sad because of this particular reason. Even if I did PM them no answer. So maybe I thought this type of thread will be necessary...

Ok, not only am I making a fool out of myself, but embarassed. You owned me kpopchild LOL I have nothing else to say... I really don't



Please don't bash me or anything b/c all I wanted was to jst.... do something about this.. I thought it'd at least help out but ... guess not? After what kpopchild said, everybody's probably gonna agree.

-Jessica

Jessica!~ I'm realllllly sorry if i sounded like i was bashing you, because I swear, that's not what i meant to do! forgive me?
I completely understand where you're coming from and im sure i would get a little frustrated too.. so i understand why you made this thread...

don't beat yourself up for it -- it's very thoughtful of you to do this for artists (who are sensitive to their works). it was just my opinion, so whether you guys do go through with this blacklist thing or not, it's entirely up to you. thanks for taking my words into consideration. much appreciated.

^
^ nononono I wasnt saying you were bashing me! Ahhh no Hannah dear! No need to say sorry! Really.. X_X

@kpopchild: Thank you for giving me a better insight though.. I really shouldve made a poll before doing this that way I can get see both views..

I dont really care...honestly, I dont think I will use this blacklisting system though...I think this will make people scared of requesting
and the idea of telling people that this certain person is supposedly doing something wrong makes people ashamed I guess
Lil is too lazy to check lists anyway..lalalala

I like the idea of the blacklist...
i mean.. kpopchild.. what you say is a good view and it makes sense
but one the other hand i don't believe the blacklist is gonna be making a requester feel like it's necessary to use or acknowledge the work of an artist who fulfills that request.. but just encourage the requesters to be a little more mindful about the situation.

and also i dun think an artist would be offended so much to the point where he/she would actually go and put the requester on the blacklist.. but the requester will just know that the blacklist is there. and can be used.. yknow? iunno if you get that.. maybe i didn't put it in the right words.. iunno. but yeah.. it's what i think about the blacklist ^^

ahh i see ^^ thanks for explaining *hugs* hopefully people will start crediting once they see this thread ^^ lol

a smart and wonderful thing to add to the artwork section

--oh how i hated it when people didn't use something they've requested from me

This only applies with those who request in a taking request thread right?
Not with those requesters who make a thread and choose not to use what was made?

um..they said thank you and never used it. chi, it pissed my off lots. T_______T. yeah i was thinking of blacklisting them because they never came to pick it up even if i pmed them. T___T.

love the thread Jessica (:
SOO many questions people have!

but i got the jift. (:

An artist can/should only blacklist someone if they have like 'must reply' or 'must use' in their rules? I'm guessing to be fair, right?

How long do these people stay on the list?

^ I think whoever made the list should be placed on it FOREVER. LOL... I'm just so mean. haha... but yeah... if you're going to request something use it. The people who make it are doing it for FREE. They spend their time doing a request and it hurts when no one uses it.